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James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

#101
The linked article is written in an absurd way. Clockwise is not a fundamental measurement, it's relative to the viewer.

What the original article explains, is that this is relative to our observer point of view (obviously).

It's still very interesting, since, disregarding any potential interaction in our local group, randomness was expected and we should see around 50/50 rotating either way unless one of the explanations came into play.

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

#102
post #9

Potentially a very dumb question, but seeing the difference between cyclones and hurricane on earth (clock-wise, anti-clock-wise)... Does it mean that we are, potentially, on one of two poles(?) of the observable universe, if we're observing most galaxies around us rotating a certain way?

We're equidistant from the edge of the observable universe in all directions. One would think that puts us at the center.

(But the same is true for someone sitting on another planet).

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

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post #9

Potentially a very dumb question, but seeing the difference between cyclones and hurricane on earth (clock-wise, anti-clock-wise)... Does it mean that we are, potentially, on one of two poles(?) of the observable universe, if we're observing most galaxies around us rotating a certain way?

We're equidistant from the edge of the observable universe in all directions. One would think that puts us at the center. (But the same is true for someone sitting on another planet).

Some of that is a semantic thing about how one defines "distant", but this is not really required by GR. In fact the insight behind the emerging "timescape" theories is that the universe isn't flat or homogenous on large scales and that different regions have expanded at different rates. Their "edges" are equally old, but may not be not equally "distant".

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

#105

But rotation direction depends on the observer. If i see galaxy spinning clockwise, this means someone observing galaxy from behind it sees it rotating counter clockwise. So are we just located so in the universe that we see 2/3 spinning clockwise and another counter?

It just occured to me that "rotation direction" is a pretty coarse measurement. Actually, you could look at the angle of a galaxy relative to ours, where (let's say) 0° is viewed exactly from "above" (rotating clockwise), 180° is viewed exactly from "below" (rotating counterclockwise), 90°/270° is viewed side-on etc. How about some stats based on this parameter?

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

#106

I wonder if it’s already April’s Fools Day in some parts of the world. The hands of a clock move clockwise if seen from the front, but counterclockwise if seen from the back.

Coming from a place of complete ignorance, are there indicators in galaxies that determine a top/bottom for lack of better words?

I can’t think of any that would make much sense as top/bottom would mean that there needs to be a relative universal point to reference and as far as I know, that doesn’t exist.

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

#108

Seems like we've got a few of these imbalances now where you'd expect 50:50 but instead it's skewed to one side where nature had a different idea Matter-antimatter ratio Left vs right handed molecules Now galaxy spin directions Maybe there are others I missed too

Dark matter / regular matter

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

#109
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the matter-antimatter ratio, you would not expect 50:50, or would you? Because 50:50 would be a highly unstable system? In any case, you would expect that unstable states would be highly unlikely, and it would converge into a stable state. I'm not sure about the other examples. But maybe it's a similar reason that it is not a 50:50 ratio?

A 50/50 matter/anti-matter system could still house stable local pockets of mostly matter or anti-matter. The problem is, from what I understand, that the universe seems to have sprung into existence with way more matter than anti-matter, and we don't know why.

Could it be that the observable universe is one of these stable local pockets and the antimatter to balance it out is simply not observable to us?

Re: James Webb Space Telescope reveals that most galaxies rotate clockwise

#110

Everybody here is talking about the black hole hypothesis, but to me it seems that the other explanation, a wrong assumption about the rotation of our own galaxy, is more likely: because it could explain 2 other problems as well. > "The re-calibration of distance measurements can also explain several other unsolved questions in cosmology such as the differences in the expansion rates of the universe and the large gal…

I don't understand how the 1e-16 Hz rotation of the Milky Way affects how we perceive other spiral galaxies' orientations.

Relative motion to the center. 230 km/s is fast.
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