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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by ziml77 »

reboot81 wrote: post #193

Watching the debacle from across the pond, wondering what everyone voting for Trump feared in the alternative. Kamala, extreme leftist? Guess youve never heard of USSR. And even not they were extreme.

In my section of the internet a lot of people who would have voted for the Democrats didn't vote at all. Many of them already disliked Harris because she's not a socialist or communist. And what pushed them to completely dismiss her was her siding with Israel in the Israel-Palestine conflict. They felt like voting for her was them voting in support of genocide.

Unfortunately it was hard to convince people that was a terrible reason because not countering Trump votes with votes for Harris was just ensuring a Trump win. Which of course meant the same outcome or worse for Palestinians and also awful shit for Americans and other countries that rely on the US.

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Post by starchild3001 »

tayo42 wrote: post #358
starchild3001 wrote: post #82

I thought this country was founded on the principles of enlightenment. And the same principles made it a world leader. Now that enlightenment values are actively being dismantled what next can we expect?

I was under the impression the US became a world leader mostly because of being in the right place after WW2. It wasn't really a leading country before that?

Read some Adam Smith (1776 -- Wealth of Nations). How highly he talks about America back then. It was always leading economically.

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Post by move-on-by »

If I were to share this article with some loved ones, they would say the press deserves it for all the fake news and unfair treatment of the current administration.

As for the signal aspect, the last discussion I was a part of devolved into “ MI6 did it to make trump’s team look bad”. There is some bogus ‘news’ article to back this up.

I don’t know how we got here, but it’s devastating and scary.

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Post by sitkack »

justanotheratom wrote: post #211
drewrv wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every video that has been broadcast has been edited I'm not sure what your point is.

Harris' response to a question was edited, that is not fine. https://x.com/i/grok/share/KODjBWCrzF8oPmKyPCFuVj1c7

Using an LLM built and controlled by Musk is only evidence of your ineptitude.

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Post by Aurornis »

harry8 wrote: post #353

Now might be a good time to revisit the twitter files and really try to understand what was in them and why it was horrifying. Seems many people wanted to pretend they were nothing because it didn't suit their partisan narrative. We're seeing the same kinds of justification now just with different partisans. If we don't call out abuses by our own tribe (whichever that is), maybe we're part of the attack.

> Now might be a good time to revisit the twitter files

Or we could skip the whataboutism that tries to go back to a prior administration, and instead focus on the current administration’s actions which are demonstrably far worse.

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Post by facile3232 »

I don't really care, tbh. There are better rights to fight for: food, shelter, education, healthcare. If said freedom of speech had been to be used to fight for materially meaningful rights, I'd be a big fan. Most Americans never bothered to use the right in any way that improved this country. You don't use it, you lose it.

As it stands most people associate it with the right to behave like a dick in public.

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Post by luhsprwhk »

starchild3001 wrote: post #306
luhsprwhk wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn’t America's principles that made it the world leader at the time—it was the fact that, unlike other major powers, it emerged from the world wars largely unscathed. Both peace settlements following the wars were widely criticized as unstable and unlikely to last, and they didn't.

I'd think peace after WWII lasted for 77 years (between 1945-2022 until the ukraine war broke out which appears to be the beginning of a new hot war).

I'd say war became hot again way back when with Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Korea. Proxy wars but wars nonetheless. A major war? Perhaps 2022 was the start of it like you said, that tracks. Hopefully not though.

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Post by cvz »

mychael wrote: post #288
starchild3001 wrote: post #82

I thought this country was founded on the principles of enlightenment. And the same principles made it a world leader. Now that enlightenment values are actively being dismantled what next can we expect?

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Donald Trump is currently doing immense damage to the personal liberty of some and to the free expression of all. Every one of the numerous things listed in the article is something that actually happened. I don't know nor do I care whether you believe what you're saying. Donald Trump, a man petty enough to punish a news organization for not saying "gulf of America" and cruel enough to send people to a foreign prison without trial, clearly doesn't.

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Post by soraminazuki »

sapphicsnail wrote: post #313
slibhb wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Freedom of speech is just the easiest way to have plausible deniability when directly or indirectly defending otherwise indefensible positions. The idea that it's somehow suspicious to be in favor of free speech has got to be one of the worst developments in American politics. And, for whatever it's worth, every vocal "free speech person" I know doesn't like the current administation. Some people actually just have…

I have yet to see a free speech absolutist express concern about the government and media suppressing Gaza protestors or LGBTQ books being banned or anything else that affects the left. Doesn't seem very principled to me.

This kind of response reinforces the parent's concern. Expressing concern for the erosion of free speech rights doesn't make one a right wing fanatic just because they don't mention every other political issue in the exact same comment.
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