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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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The scotus would need to strike down the 22nd amendment. Even with as horribly morally bankrupt of a scotus as we have now, I don’t think they’d sink to the low of striking down the 22nd.

I don’t have a ton of faith in scotus right now, but I think they understand their only power is in whether people consider them independent. Allowing a third term for Trump would be accepting that they’re basically in charge of parking tickets.

I don't think the current Scotus cares in any way about looking independent. Quite the opposite.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Watching the debacle from across the pond, wondering what everyone voting for Trump feared in the alternative. Kamala, extreme leftist? Guess youve never heard of USSR. And even not they were extreme.

I'm hesitant to write politics here because of how many people write scathing and rude comments, but I'll attempt to give a US perspective on the last election.

I think there were just a series of events that led to nobody getting excited by D in the election, allowing Trump to win. Especially when you consider that moderates and NPAs always decide the elections.

Inflation was out of control(by US standards) for Biden's entire term. In fairness this started at the end of Trump1 but carried on for years. Will Trump fix it? Who knows, I think most expect tariffs to make it even worse.

Immigration seemed unchecked, which itself probably wouldn't have been a huge issue, but news and social media 'investigators' came out about how much the gov was giving them - money, housing, healthcare, etc. Struggling and newly struggling people got really, really angry about money being spent there. That was a super easy play for R's all election season.

But the nail in the coffin IMO was the debate disaster, CNN turning on Biden as not fit to be president overnight, then last minute odd resignation letter via Twitter. Then injected with a candidate nobody had a say in, to boot.

So in short, a combination of people angry at 'the system' rebelling, and a candidate without much real support. I don't feel like R's won the election as much as I feel like D's imploded themselves. For the sake of not having an uniparty, I hope they rethink things. I feel like Newsom making a more moderate shift is a play in that direction, we'll see.

Just my .02.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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A lot of people don't like being told to what say/think/do. It turns out if you bully those people enough they elect a dictator. It wasn't and still isn't a surprise to me.

Perhaps we made the mistake of thinking that the people who "don't like being told to what[sic] say/think/do" actually had something resembling principles rather than a petty and childish desire to dictate what others are allowed to say/think/do.

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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It's been under attack a lot longer than the current administration.

"free-speech does not mean freedom from consequences",

"free speech does not apply to hate-speech",

"we must suppress and limit the spread of misinformation",

It really seems that people do not believe in free speech anymore, and only appeal to it as a principle to defend themselves, never to defend those they disagree with.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Watching the debacle from across the pond, wondering what everyone voting for Trump feared in the alternative. Kamala, extreme leftist? Guess youve never heard of USSR. And even not they were extreme.

There's no need to wonder, as polls of which issues voters find most important are common in the US. See https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-... if you're curious.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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This republican form of government was explicitly created to insulate law and justice from the direct will of the public.

So whose preferences should policy reflect? NGO presidents? Tech company employees in gatekeeper positions? Editorial column writers? Why these people and not the public? What gives them the right to rule?

Ideally not thin-skinned demagogic grifter kleptocrats with no respect for the Constitution or rule of law.

Seems like a low bar to hurdle, yet here we are.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Everyone who disagrees with the article gets flagged. You are not the "free speech" people you pretend to be.

And this is fine because hacker news is just a web site and getting flagged may damage one’s ego but it doesn’t impact your freedom. Law firms being attacked by POTUS for their lawful actions, networks being frivolously sued and people being arrested without due process are the issue here.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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It started with the Free Palestine protesters. Tesla protesters are next. Citizens will be shipped to El Salvador, non-citizens to where they came from.

Not if we protest en mass and all stick together. The thing that will kill us is if we obey in advance and don’t do these things.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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This is a really good compilation that should make any "free-speech absolutist" reconsider their support for the current administration. In my understanding, the commonplace interpretation of the first amendment is largely due to a series of landmark cases through the early to mid-20th century. A lot of expansions were provided to the amendment that have been taken for granted since then and we are now going to see c…

I just wish there was always this much interest in free speech. The level of care in most circles tends to sway based on who is in office.
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