[1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-turns-away-ca...
How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack
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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack
#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who's making the determination something is disinformation? You? No thanks. Reference Wuhan Labs.
I mean, a lot of very smart people told me that you shouldn’t be allowed to say things like “masks don’t work”. They also said hate speech isn’t free speech. Who am I to argue? Personally I found everything in the article to be ludicrous and to have Jack-all to do with the First Amendment, but I am not very smart.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if you look at it from the perspective of faithless reporting like that from Fox News and Newsmax, the information pipeline has been selling a narrative that the left has been on an authoritarian tear since Obama. The newscasts are chilling: every one of them for more than two decades has taken a position that the left is an existential threat to the United States. With that kind of context, it's really no wond…
A lot of people don't like being told to what say/think/do. It turns out if you bully those people enough they elect a dictator. It wasn't and still isn't a surprise to me.
They love being told what to think.
Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack
#264What Brian and a lot of the commenters here need to realize is that online outrage does not help progressive causes in the slightest. While the examples in his article are valid & concerning, especially as talks of a third Trump term have started, I truly can't see anyone changing their mind because the response to it has been completely ineffective and tone-deaf: Instead of a solid, modern, coherent plan to keep the…
> Instead of a solid, modern, coherent plan to keep the democratic party alive in a time of populism and radicalization in response to a crumbling economy and cronyism, it has solely been a "look at all the bad stuff Trump is doing!" and "oh me oh my how outrageous!" which does nothing but fall on deaf ears after 2020. People by and large do not want "solid, modern, coherent plans". Both kamala and hillary clinton ha…
Surely a mother-knows-best attitude will work.
> Both kamala and hillary clinton had those.
Surely denying massive campaign problems, such as "basket of deplorables" and not distancing herself from Biden, will work.
> People want to be told the strong man will make everything better if you just give up a few rights.
Surely strawmanning any solid, modern, coherent plan as stripping away rights will work.
>Does your post, in specific, say anything meaningful? Not really, you just throw out some vapid complaints and then tell us you hope the world will change.
Did you want me to go say some full-time working-class person working paycheck to paycheck can just go run for office and singlehandedly defeat Trump in a landslide victory?
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#265I thought this country was founded on the principles of enlightenment. And the same principles made it a world leader. Now that enlightenment values are actively being dismantled what next can we expect?
I'm gonna be honest, the actual founding fathers as individuals aside, most of the people coming over where arguably running away from the Enlightenment rather than towards it, and a superstitious and fantastical isolationism was the norm, not the exception for most of America's history, while the post WWII leadership role was more of an accident. In some ways, this is old habits reasserting themselves
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares? This certainly isn't something that means you should ignore the fact that people are being abducted by plainclothes agents who refuse to identify themselves, and sent to Salvadorean prison camps without any chance for appeal.
> A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares? That's not what people are concluding in the information spaces I'm in at all. Many of the CIA documents show highly suspicious travel, activities, and statements, particularly for James Angleton, William King Harvey, and a few others who's names escape me. They lend credence to the theory that Allen Dul…
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#267As best I can tell, the simplest way to fight back via legal channels sans unlimited legal budget is to run for office. Like I’m seriously trying to figure out if that’s a sane option for me despite my total disregard and distrust of authority. Also my distinctly aggressive distaste for bullies, traditions or bullshit.
- In 2001, an open socialist, India Walton, won the Democratic primary for mayor. The State Democratic Party united with Republicans to fund a write-in campaign to re-elect Byron Brown as mayor, which was successful [1];
- Adam Schiff and the California Democratic Party spent millions to prop up a Republican to get the second-most votes in the California Senate primary. Why? California has what's called a "jungle primary" where the two candidates with the most votes in the primary, regardless of party, are on the ballot in the general election. The Republican has no chance so Schiff and the California Democrats are just making sure no progressive ends up on the ticket;
- The shenanigans in 2016 to make Hilary Clinton, a terrible candidate, the Democratic nominee for president over Bernie Sanders, including withholding funding, the threat of superdelegates and generally just putting the thumb on the scale at every turn;
- Again in 2020 with Bernie Sanders. Jim Clyburn and the DNC arranged for Biden to take South Carolina. Elizabeth Warren stayed in just long enough to peel off Bernie's votes. Other candidates got out of the way (eg Pete Buttigieg) and were rewarded for it with Cabinet positions;
- When Biden finally withdraw his re-election bid one option on the table was to have a convention primary. Instead Biden and the DNC simply anointed Kamala Harris because they were scared a progressive might win;
- Henry Cuellar, Congressman from Texas, is the (I believe) only anti-choice Democratic in the House. He has twice now faced a stiff primary challenge from progressive Jessica Cisneros who ran a grassroots campaign, the last time only winning by a few hundred votes. Democratic heavyweights like Nancy Pelosi and Jim Clyburn went down to campaign for him in Texas.
If the Democratic Party opposed Trump half as well as they do progressive elements in their own party, we'd be living in a very different country.
[1]: https://apnews.com/article/elections-buffalo-campaigns-elect...
Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack
#268Ps does HN offer the capability of completely deleting the account and all of the comments ?
Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack
#269What Brian and a lot of the commenters here need to realize is that online outrage does not help progressive causes in the slightest. While the examples in his article are valid & concerning, especially as talks of a third Trump term have started, I truly can't see anyone changing their mind because the response to it has been completely ineffective and tone-deaf: Instead of a solid, modern, coherent plan to keep the…
But there's no effort to convince swing voters to vote against Trump. The midterms will be here before anyone knows it and it's going to be the first big chance to push back on the current administration, but I see so little work that's being done to create a coherent opposition party. Ezra Klein's book on Abundance was a great starting point. In Dem spaces though, reaction to the book was pretty much absent. Most of Dem base temporarily got busy trying to come up with ways that Klein has failed some progressive purity test (centrists are fascists, environmental injustice, etc etc.) Then after that, most just ignored his vision and went back to crying about the current administration.
IMO the Dems cranky, upper middle class news addicted base is its worst feature. They continue to kneecap the Dems from being a real opposition party. Telling people how bad the administration is won't make a good opposition party. It worked just enough for 2020 but ran out of steam by 2024. Dems need to create a vision of the future under Dem rule.
I suspect it's because the coalition that kept the Democratic party together has failed and its current base is just too small to win votes in elections. They've lost their bonafides among the trade unions, they've lost their appeal to the technology class, their strongest supporters remain the social-progress bloc which may be overrepresented online but is just too small of a force to win in elections.
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#270I don't understand. This is literally what people voted for, isn't it?
The US Government has checks and balances. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#Checks_an...