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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by justanotheratom »

drewrv wrote: post #199
justanotheratom wrote: post #177

"Trump claims they selectively edited an interview with former Vice President Kamala Harris prior to the 2024 election" Wasn't the full video released and it established that they did edit the video? The article is making it sound like they are being forced to settle a false allegation? edit: the response was edited, not just the video. details: https://x.com/i/grok/share/KODjBWCrzF8oPmKyPCFuVj1c7

Every video that has been broadcast has been edited I'm not sure what your point is.

Harris' response to a question was edited, that is not fine.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/KODjBWCrzF8oPmKyPCFuVj1c7

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Post by Ygg2 »

zamalek wrote: post #8

If Trump wins the next election, take that as the signal of the point of no return. It happened to Rome, it can happen to America.

> If Trump wins the next election[..] It happened to Rome

In Rome, Cezar didn't become the dictator for life, he got stabbed to death. What happened is that his successor, Octavian, took control of real power while pretending that the republic was fine.

In reality Republic died before Cezar, while Octavian played Weekend at Bernie's.

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Post by allset_ »

declan_roberts wrote: post #164
zip1234 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On top of that, violating public records laws by using signal chat for official communications with disappearing messages turned on.

Are there settings you can apply to Signal that make them compatible with record retention laws?

No.

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Post by throwawaymaths »

LPisGood wrote: post #206
throwawaymaths wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This article is about the entire first amendment, which has to do with more than free speech.

transparency and the obligation to document did not really exist as concepts in statecraft when the first amendment was conceived. there is a very tenuous relationship with the right to petition. perhaps we should create an amendment enshrining those values (as some states have in their constutions)

the best lede is the one where visas are being revoked. clear abuse of the amendment.

even the libel ones, while shitty, seem in line with existing libel laws (and maybe it's worth a discussion if libel is constitutionally protected). just because the president is president does not mean they must relinquish the right to legal redress for existing protections that the rest of us enjoy.

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Post by RachelF »

twright wrote: post #122

This is a really good compilation that should make any "free-speech absolutist" reconsider their support for the current administration. In my understanding, the commonplace interpretation of the first amendment is largely due to a series of landmark cases through the early to mid-20th century. A lot of expansions were provided to the amendment that have been taken for granted since then and we are now going to see c…

One thing not on the list (yet) is the freezing of protesters' bank accounts that happened in Canada.

Or the de-banking that happens to politicians in the UK.

Or the jailing of whistleblower lawyers that happens in Australia.

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Post by mptest »

jfengel wrote: post #144
mptest wrote: post #56

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The attitude of "you won't make it better so we'll make it much, much worse" is the reason we're past the point of no return. Actually making things better is hard. A lot of people legitimately disagree with Bernie Sanders. He simply does not have majority support. For the rest of my life, the Democrats' policy is going to be "trying to get back the rights you lost in 2024”.

>he simply does not have majority support

That very well may be, but considering all his policies do[0], the question must be asked, why?

Maybe we should ask ourselves why, when the american majority supported his entire policy agenda, did they not support him?

Could it be perhaps the billionaire owned media misrepresenting him and his positions? His own party conspiring to take him out of the primary running? Or just average voter ignorance? No one has ever contended that americans always vote in their best interest, after all.

[0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/25/pete-butti...

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Post by sepositus »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #202
sepositus wrote: post #143

I'm still scratching my head at how some people are surprised by this overreaction. It seems a lot of people think the current fawning over authoritarianism came out of a vacuum. All of the sudden a majority of America came out of stasis and flocked to the polls to elect a dictator.

Well, if you look at it from the perspective of faithless reporting like that from Fox News and Newsmax, the information pipeline has been selling a narrative that the left has been on an authoritarian tear since Obama. The newscasts are chilling: every one of them for more than two decades has taken a position that the left is an existential threat to the United States. With that kind of context, it's really no wond…

A lot of people don't like being told to what say/think/do. It turns out if you bully those people enough they elect a dictator. It wasn't and still isn't a surprise to me.

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Post by nickpeterson »

winter_blue wrote: post #95
twright wrote: post #72

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On paper he can't do a lot of things but the amount of gutting and cutting that's happened in the last two(!) months makes one realize the laws aren't worth the paper they're written on without a proactive congress interested in keeping the executive in check. Suspending birthright citizenship as established in the 14th amendment is a big one that "he can't do." Challenges to E.O. 14160 are going through the courts r…

The scotus would need to strike down the 22nd amendment. Even with as horribly morally bankrupt of a scotus as we have now, I don’t think they’d sink to the low of striking down the 22nd.

I don’t have a ton of faith in scotus right now, but I think they understand their only power is in whether people consider them independent. Allowing a third term for Trump would be accepting that they’re basically in charge of parking tickets.

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Post by Volundr »

declan_roberts wrote: post #164
zip1234 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On top of that, violating public records laws by using signal chat for official communications with disappearing messages turned on.

Are there settings you can apply to Signal that make them compatible with record retention laws?

No. Signal stores messages only on the receiving device by design.

If there were it would still be irrelevant. They specifically used the settings to delete messages after a few weeks.

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Post by petesergeant »

tombert wrote: post #60
petesergeant wrote: post #18

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You do you. Continue to vote, and if you can find a local cause that you can give time and attention to, do that. If you can find some small way you can help people who are affected, do that. Subscribe to news sources you trust and think are shining a light on the right things. Maybe setup small donations to candidates you think are pushing the country in the right direction. Not everyone needs to fight every fight.

I do donate to candidates that I think are less evil than the average politician. A bit more locally; my wife is Mexican and as such I have a lot of Mexican in-laws. I have been helping my brother-in-law deal with immigration lawyers (and paid for them) in hopes that he might be able to get his citizenship soon-ish. If I felt like anything I did in the grand political scope would do anything, I'd do it. I used to be…

Impossible to care about everything all at once, and easy to get disillusioned and shut down to nothing. Keep pushing in the ways that you can, give the energy that you can, and what more can anyone ask of you?
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