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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by cmurf »

winter_blue wrote: post #95
twright wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On paper he can't do a lot of things but the amount of gutting and cutting that's happened in the last two(!) months makes one realize the laws aren't worth the paper they're written on without a proactive congress interested in keeping the executive in check. Suspending birthright citizenship as established in the 14th amendment is a big one that "he can't do." Challenges to E.O. 14160 are going through the courts r…

The scotus would need to strike down the 22nd amendment. Even with as horribly morally bankrupt of a scotus as we have now, I don’t think they’d sink to the low of striking down the 22nd.

They could pull a Trump v. Anderson, and say neither courts nor states can't keep him off the ballot - only the people, the College, or the Congress can stop it.

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Post by smw »

chongli wrote: post #169
twright wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On paper he can't do a lot of things but the amount of gutting and cutting that's happened in the last two(!) months makes one realize the laws aren't worth the paper they're written on without a proactive congress interested in keeping the executive in check. Suspending birthright citizenship as established in the 14th amendment is a big one that "he can't do." Challenges to E.O. 14160 are going through the courts r…

Thankfully elections in the US are not run by the federal government, they're run separately in every state. Trump may be able to illegally get on the ballot in some states with the support of friendly state governments but he definitely won't get on all of them. Even seemingly-friendly southern states may have state governments that will take a dim view of Trump attempting to get on the ballot. Kentucky, for example…

SCOTUS didn't allow Colorado to remove him from the ballot this time, what makes you think they won't do the same next time?

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Post by CapricornNoble »

asveikau wrote: post #106
declan_roberts wrote: post #54

Trump had allegedly fired people responsible for FOIA but at the same time we are finally seeing documents that the DOJ and FBI have been slow walking for almost 8 years or longer. Some examples, file metadata for Seth Rich's laptop, and obviously files related to the JFK assassination.

A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares? This certainly isn't something that means you should ignore the fact that people are being abducted by plainclothes agents who refuse to identify themselves, and sent to Salvadorean prison camps without any chance for appeal.

> A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares?

That's not what people are concluding in the information spaces I'm in at all. Many of the CIA documents show highly suspicious travel, activities, and statements, particularly for James Angleton, William King Harvey, and a few others who's names escape me. They lend credence to the theory that Allen Dulles possibly conspired to kill JFK, putting into action henchmen of his still at the CIA after he was fired. You should care if the unelected bureaucrats that run our global intelligence agency can act with such impunity that they can murder a sitting President and cover it up for decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1bbdOgIzrI

We had a Senator say on mainstream news "the intelligence community has 6 ways to get back at you" (in reference to Trump having an antagonistic relationship with the intel community) and nobody batted an eye. Why the fuck would it ever be ok for the CIA to have ways to "get back at" the Commander-in-Chief? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I

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Post by slowhadoken »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #108
slowhadoken wrote: post #97

I can’t remember anyone respecting mainstream US news for the last 30+ years. Aren’t most news agencies, directly or indirectly, owned by BlackRock, State Street, or the Vanguard Group? That’s a real question.

> Aren’t most news agencies, directly or indirectly, owned by BlackRock, State Street, or the Vanguard Group? That’s a real question It’s a stupid question easily dismissed with a modicum of research. (Most papers aren’t public.)

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Post by smallmancontrov »

pmarreck wrote: post #179
smallmancontrov wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has started. The Posobiec book (foreword by Steve Bannon) makes the case that anyone to the left of Mussolini is a "secret communist revolutionary" and rationalizes doing anything to "crush" us. https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/unhumans This is a popular book. I found my own mother reading it. I took the title at face value at first and found the skull disturbing but not threatening what with not being a communist…

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The "nothing ever changes" heuristic fails catastrophically on occasion. It's better to be prepared.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by pmarreck »

mptest wrote: post #23
blatantly wrote: post #11

This is a brilliant article because it is summarising how bad it is. They don't want you to know how bad! Lots of paper cuts and hopefully no one sees the amputation. We need one on attack on working class including all the loss of services esp. education and inflation caused by tariffs.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/03/donald-trump-new... Everyone should at least watch this video. Taken in America. "Land of the free." That this is only one of many such videos is terrifying if you know the history of fascist regimes. I hope everyone here is familiar with the "first they came for the communists..." poem.

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by danaris »

shermantanktop wrote: post #101
forgetfreeman wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Food for thought: elimination of basic rights impacts all citizens regardless of their political affiliation.

Similarly, expanding executive powers benefits whoever has the position, not just the guy who is in there right now. The self-defeating behavior of the legislative branch, across both parties, for decades led to the risks going up invisibly. And it turns out, risks usually go up without people noticing.

> Similarly, expanding executive powers benefits whoever has the position, not just the guy who is in there right now.

That is why they are doing their level best to make sure there is no chance they will ever lose the position.

The attacks on freedom of speech are part of it. So are the attacks on voting rights, and the attacks on the legitimacy of voting results.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by smt88 »

762236 wrote: post #172
sega_sai wrote: post #78

As a person who lived in the States for a bit, and listened to a lot of news, I remember always this almost fawning over the Founding Fathers, checks and balances and great American constitution. It is remarkable, how easy it all goes, and most people don't do anything (i.e. out of 100 top law firms, only a handful joined the lawsuit against the government, etc.)

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> No checks and balances have been cancelled.

"President Donald Trump's administration made a calculated decision to ignore a judge's directive to turn around two flights containing hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News."[1]

> The article is showing one side.

Please share the other side of the examples given in the article.

1. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-ignores-judges-order-b...

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