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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by shadowgovt »

nine_zeros wrote: post #46

I find it remarkable that Americans are ok with rule by executive order instead of rule by congressional law. I also find it fascinating that no federal judge has held any Trump administration officers in contempt or imposed sanctions/bans on officers who are continuously hurting constitutional rights. I assume that Americans have been sleeping at the wheel, unaware of the threat of slide into fascism. But is the vot…

Americans allowed Congress to cede a lot of its power to the President after 9/11. That has been a slow-roll towards "rule by EO" since then. In addition, the processes Congress creates are somewhat sclerotic for several reasons; there's a relatively good book out recently by Ezra Klein titled "Abundance" on the details.

Federal judges generally don't prior-constrain the Executive. Hypothetically, the flow of control should be Congress restraining the Executive if it fails to do Congress's will; The judiciary steps in if the Executive tries to do something unconstitutional, but that's restraint of the action; punishment for continued bad behavior should flow from Congress.

Americans are still, overall, quite personally comfortable. I don't anticipate actions at capitals until that comfort is en-masse threatened.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by andreygrehov »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #64
andreygrehov wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Based on the content of the op-eds they wrote? That's awful Or are you just referring to the more normal (yet still awful) concept of a draft?

I don't think this is normal: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y0iiww5KFTg

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Post by mullingitover »

tombert wrote: post #41
dgacmu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said you didn't know what to do, so some ideas to start the ideas flowing for you: - support media, particularly local. - there are protests to attend if that's your thing. Tesla takedown is one set that's getting a lot of traction. (Note: these are peaceful protests; don't hurt people's cars). There's a broad "hands off" protest April 5, as another example. - build and stay in touch with community. - encourage o…

> support media, particularly local. Agreed. No argument on that. > there are protests to attend if that's your thing. I'm afraid they're not. I'm happy to donate money to causes for people to protest but just being honest, I'm probably not going to do it. > Tesla takedown is getting a lot of traction I don't really want to damage strangers' property. I don't own any car as I just take public transportation, so I can…

> I don't really want to damage strangers' property

You know you can hold up a sign and chant insulting pro-democracy insults at Elon Musk without destroying property, right?

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Post by winter_blue »

nine_zeros wrote: post #46

I find it remarkable that Americans are ok with rule by executive order instead of rule by congressional law. I also find it fascinating that no federal judge has held any Trump administration officers in contempt or imposed sanctions/bans on officers who are continuously hurting constitutional rights. I assume that Americans have been sleeping at the wheel, unaware of the threat of slide into fascism. But is the vot…

It might be better to say “Republicans” instead of “Americans” as you do. Americans are a deeply divided group of people: one-third republicans, one-third democrats, and one-third apathetic.

The one-third of Americans who are republicans put Trump in power, and are indirectly responsible for what’s happening — and the vast majority of them of course wholeheartedly fully support these violations of the First Amendment.

The democrats of course oppose all of these things.

Please stop using “Americans” as if this were one solid group of people who share the same views.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by shadowgovt »

nine_zeros wrote: post #77
mattnewton wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American voters no longer agree on what made America special.

Yes, misinformation won. But when Trump actively cuts benefits, cuts jobs, cuts research, asks for bribes openly, quid pro quo everywhere, town halls unanswered - do voters in America feel willing to change their votes? Are voters willing to strike until the President resigns? Or are people ok with the country being sold to third world style corruption that is happening right in front of their faces?

American voters are insulated from a lot of that, which is one of the reasons the misinformation works.

Think about the number of moving parts between a federal job cut and most private-sector individuals feeling it. Or between research and the years before the dried-up pipeline slows down the country's progress. And most Americans don't attend, nor are interested in, town halls.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by gcanyon »

mullingitover wrote: post #40
Supermancho wrote: post #36

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I think this is a foolish belief. > The third presidential term of Franklin D. Roosevelt began on January 20, 1941, when he was once again inaugurated as the 32nd president of the United States, and the fourth term of his presidency ended with his death on April 12, 1945 There's already precedent.

There's a whole Amendment about this.[1] [1] https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-22/

They're already pitching the idea that the 22nd amendment only prevents someone who had two consecutive terms from running again. Looking at the language of the amendment, I have no idea how they can justify that. But stranger things have happened recently. :-/

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by dgacmu »

tombert wrote: post #41
dgacmu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said you didn't know what to do, so some ideas to start the ideas flowing for you: - support media, particularly local. - there are protests to attend if that's your thing. Tesla takedown is one set that's getting a lot of traction. (Note: these are peaceful protests; don't hurt people's cars). There's a broad "hands off" protest April 5, as another example. - build and stay in touch with community. - encourage o…

> support media, particularly local. Agreed. No argument on that. > there are protests to attend if that's your thing. I'm afraid they're not. I'm happy to donate money to causes for people to protest but just being honest, I'm probably not going to do it. > Tesla takedown is getting a lot of traction I don't really want to damage strangers' property. I don't own any car as I just take public transportation, so I can…

Tesla takedown is not about damaging property - it's strictly peaceful protests to discourage people from buying Tesla, and to raise awareness of Musk's role in DOGE and breaking the government.

Editorializing: A lot of folks bought Teslas because they wanted to do good in the world. Most of the Tesla drivers out there are allies of sanity. Except maybe those ugly trucks. :) :)

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by zamalek »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #68
zamalek wrote: post #8

If Trump wins the next election, take that as the signal of the point of no return. It happened to Rome, it can happen to America.

It can also fail outright if voters and Congress pick up the scent of Emperor at midterms. History does not always repeat. If it did, we would not have had democracy to begin with.

I think in this case it will require the non-voters picking up the scent of a monarch. This is why I believe that point is yet to come (though I do believe that the belief that we are passed it is also very rational, only history will know).
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