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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by tombert »

dgacmu wrote: post #15
tombert wrote: post #3

I understand why these things have to be posted, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't utterly exhausted by the constant shit that the Trump administration is spitting at us. I mean, I get it, bad shit needs to be reported on, the Trump admin does a lot of bad shit, it makes sense, but it's just extremely tiring. I know that's kind of the point, to bombard us with all this shit all at once so that we are exhau…

You said you didn't know what to do, so some ideas to start the ideas flowing for you: - support media, particularly local. - there are protests to attend if that's your thing. Tesla takedown is one set that's getting a lot of traction. (Note: these are peaceful protests; don't hurt people's cars). There's a broad "hands off" protest April 5, as another example. - build and stay in touch with community. - encourage o…

> support media, particularly local.

Agreed. No argument on that.

> there are protests to attend if that's your thing.

I'm afraid they're not. I'm happy to donate money to causes for people to protest but just being honest, I'm probably not going to do it.

> Tesla takedown is getting a lot of traction

I don't really want to damage strangers' property. I don't own any car as I just take public transportation, so I can't really say I'm "boycotting" Tesla any more than any other brand.

> Can you get folks to move off Twitter?

None of my family or friends were really using Twitter even before Elon bought it.

> To make a plan to vote in the next election?

All my family and friends vote in every election anyway.

> To themselves support local media or organizations?

Again, agreed on that. I'll mention that to parents next time I talk to them.

> Perhaps to run for school board or other local office?

I've debated it, but I think I'm a bit too eccentric to be a good politician. I am also afraid it would turn me evil.

I don't really disagree with anything you said, just that I'm already doing most of what you suggested.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by School-Cotton »

solomonb wrote: post #21
zamalek wrote: post #8

If Trump wins the next election, take that as the signal of the point of no return. It happened to Rome, it can happen to America.

He can't run again.

Why not? Because a piece of paper says he’s not allowed to? Pieces of paper say a lot of things; sometimes they’re followed, sometimes not.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by try_the_bass »

carterschonwald wrote: post #24

As best I can tell, the simplest way to fight back via legal channels sans unlimited legal budget is to run for office. Like I’m seriously trying to figure out if that’s a sane option for me despite my total disregard and distrust of authority. Also my distinctly aggressive distaste for bullies, traditions or bullshit.

I mean, if your problems stem from the political machine, then getting involved in the machine does sound like the best option.

Put differently: if you feel like no part of the political machine accurately represents you, the most straightforward way to remedy that is by representing yourself.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by Supermancho »

mullingitover wrote: post #40
Supermancho wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a foolish belief. > The third presidential term of Franklin D. Roosevelt began on January 20, 1941, when he was once again inaugurated as the 32nd president of the United States, and the fourth term of his presidency ended with his death on April 12, 1945 There's already precedent.

There's a whole Amendment about this.[1] [1] https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-22/

One inferred point of the article is that eroding the first amendment makes the rest less imposing to circumvent.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by nine_zeros »

I find it remarkable that Americans are ok with rule by executive order instead of rule by congressional law.

I also find it fascinating that no federal judge has held any Trump administration officers in contempt or imposed sanctions/bans on officers who are continuously hurting constitutional rights.

I assume that Americans have been sleeping at the wheel, unaware of the threat of slide into fascism. But is the voter-base and judiciary just unaware/unwilling to throttle persistent attacks?

The only reliable action by voters has been demonstrations outside Tesla stores. But look at Turkey, Serbia etc. - people have taken over their capitals and are striking en masse.

Are Americans unwilling to protect what makes America special?

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by lynndotpy »

solomonb wrote: post #21
zamalek wrote: post #8

If Trump wins the next election, take that as the signal of the point of no return. It happened to Rome, it can happen to America.

He can't run again.

Trump that he's serious about running for a third term and that there are methods to do it.

That was just earlier today. https://apnews.com/article/trump-third-term-constitution-22n...

We've had ten years of "Trump can't do X."

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by mattnewton »

Supermancho wrote: post #36
solomonb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He can't run again.

I think this is a foolish belief. > The third presidential term of Franklin D. Roosevelt began on January 20, 1941, when he was once again inaugurated as the 32nd president of the United States, and the fourth term of his presidency ended with his death on April 12, 1945 There's already precedent.

The 22nd amendment was passed after that though.

FDR was seen as getting America out of the Great Depression and navigating America through WW2 successfully. Oh and alcohol became legal again so you could celebrate the roaring manufacturing economy and military victories with a beer. Trump is no FDR.

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