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My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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I don’t know how much longer that will be possible with how cheap 5G is getting. Sooner or later they’ll be able to install a $10 part and make a deal with wireless carriers as backhaul for unconnected TVs. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has already made a deal with Spectrum or XFinity to use those open wifi networks that are open to customers via their account signin. The best solution is commercial displays but…

> I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has already made a deal with Spectrum or XFinity to use those open wifi networks that are open to customers via their account signin. I’m skeptical an arrangement like this could work. The authentication mechanism would be interesting enough to attract security researchers and likely open anonymous Internet access that may undermine any potential benefit gained from viewer data. I…

There's already Amazon sidewalk and other IoT networks where they can dump data if any neighbor or passerby has a connected device.

Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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I seem to recall that Vizio was added to my "do not buy" list quite a long time ago, when it turned out they were monitoring your watching habit ( https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/7/14527360/vizio-smart-tv-tr... ). This seems to be more of the same I guess. Choice text from the link above: Q: Why did I see an ad in Scenic Mode? A: After Scenic Mode launches to full screen, you may see ads. We offer free, scenic conten…

> when it turned out they were monitoring your watching habit I think every single smart tv manufacturer does this today. At least I know LG, Samsung, Sony, Amazon, Philips, Sharp and Vizio does. Since your smart TV is on your same domestic IP, there's a market for getting data on your watching habits to combine with your browser habits collected elsewhere. The advertisers know more about you by now than you do. That…

AppleTV is full of ads in its app store, is there any streaming device where it doesn't track you and doesn't put ads over your search intent?

Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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If you have a "smart" TV you'd like to avoid connecting to the internet for reasons like this, you can try disconnecting the wireless module entirely. I had a Sony Bravia TV I didn't trust, and after popping off the back I disconnected the wireless module's ribbon cable. The android-TV OS handled it gracefully, and now I don't have to worry about it attempting to smuggle data through any other WLANs in my apartment b…

I connect my TV because the remote doesn't have a button for changing brightness, but there's a PC app for that

TVs should have brightness controls the same way they have volume controls on remotes. It’s great having a >1000 nits display, just like it’s great having a 500W subwoofer, but it doesn’t mean I want to blast it full power all the time and changing it shouldn’t require digging into slow menus.

What’s the PC app please?

Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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Iirc, in the earlier days of LCD tvs, the ones meant for digital signage sometimes had different color calibration, and also sometimes had weaker processors than their consumer bretheren because they weren't really meant to display high-framerate motion content, and were mainly used for static images. A friend's dad picked up a few for cheap when their employer was updating some of the ones they used for digital sign…

Bet money on it being the garbage smooth frame stuff that pushed the TVs to fake 60 or 120fps by guessing frames. Even my newest 75" TV has this junk and makes the picture stutter enough that it drove me bonkers trying to turn it off - Google TV is awful for this but the TV also lets you fully turn it off on some ports.

This was a bit before that feature was really possible to implement cheaply enough to be in every tv. We're taking probably around 2003 or 2004 iirc.

Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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I recall reading a few years back about some crapware that opportunistically would attempt connecting through any available AP (e.g. your neighbor) and smuggle data that way.

The rumor was not only that, but also peering through neighbors devices from the same company.

I recall the same, and that there was evidence. Anyone bother digging up a source?

Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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post #192

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> when it turned out they were monitoring your watching habit I think every single smart tv manufacturer does this today. At least I know LG, Samsung, Sony, Amazon, Philips, Sharp and Vizio does. Since your smart TV is on your same domestic IP, there's a market for getting data on your watching habits to combine with your browser habits collected elsewhere. The advertisers know more about you by now than you do. That…

AppleTV is full of ads in its app store, is there any streaming device where it doesn't track you and doesn't put ads over your search intent?

Sure, one you install your own OS on.

Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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To be honest, this is part of why TVs can be offered for so cheap these days. Same reason really cheap phones are stuffed with bloatware. Luckily with TVs you can freeload: just never connect it to the internet and only apply updates via USB. Stick an Apple TV / Chromecast / console into it for playback. This might even become standard operating procedure considering Samsung is getting into the ad game, and LG and So…

I don’t know how much longer that will be possible with how cheap 5G is getting. Sooner or later they’ll be able to install a $10 part and make a deal with wireless carriers as backhaul for unconnected TVs. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has already made a deal with Spectrum or XFinity to use those open wifi networks that are open to customers via their account signin. The best solution is commercial displays but…

Adding 5G today increases the BOM by 10$-30$ in volume production.

Keep in mind that the tv already has ethernet and wifi to ISP controlled networks. Basically almost every consumer ISP offer mandatory includes an ISP managed gateway, that can pre-certify your appliances or operate hidden ssid networks or "public" wifi access point to the ISP's network. So "smart" appliance operators only need deals with a few big ISPs to get this reach, no 5G required.

With less than a dozens deals you would cover most of the US and EU.

Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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I regret giving my TV my Wi-Fi password. By default, it has some knock-off Alexa assistant that triggers a couple times a day, even when I'm sitting in silence. It also warns me it will auto-updates the software 1-2 times a month. My TV was perfect out of the box--it doesn't need an update. When I disable Wi-Fi, I get notifications that my TV is disconnected. Can't win.

Have you thought about using pi-hole? With the right things blocked, my LG TV still has all the functionality without the spying or annoyances.

Re: My TV started playing a video in full screen by itself. What happened?

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post #70

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To be honest, this is part of why TVs can be offered for so cheap these days. Same reason really cheap phones are stuffed with bloatware. Luckily with TVs you can freeload: just never connect it to the internet and only apply updates via USB. Stick an Apple TV / Chromecast / console into it for playback. This might even become standard operating procedure considering Samsung is getting into the ad game, and LG and So…

I don’t know how much longer that will be possible with how cheap 5G is getting. Sooner or later they’ll be able to install a $10 part and make a deal with wireless carriers as backhaul for unconnected TVs. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has already made a deal with Spectrum or XFinity to use those open wifi networks that are open to customers via their account signin. The best solution is commercial displays but…

If they added 5G I'd buy one, just for the free service. Old Amazon kindles came with SIM cards you could put in your phone for free data service.
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