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Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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How would you make a video app in a browser? ie taking videos and then editing them afterwards

Do you mean something like https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:VideoCutTool ?

I mean something like CapCut that has access to the phone camera for capturing video.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

How would you make a video app in a browser? ie taking videos and then editing them afterwards

The commenter says about most apps. The use case you mentioned requires computing resources. You can do the whole thing on browser too but it is not efficient way . But in the case of delivery apps, finance apps, you don't need much compute as can work exclusively with APIs .

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

During earthquake in Bangkok in Friday Grab (local superior version of Uber) helped me to order taxi and get my kids home. Needless to say that cell phones network collapsed for most of the day. All people want to know what happens and is their family and friends are safe. They definitely have very optimized network layer for poor connections. I bet they can switch to udp or something. I'm glad that it wasn't web app…

Switching to UDP won't magically improve your network connectivity. The overhead of WebRTC over UDP isn't too high as well.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

There is nothing inherently evil about an app, or inherently good about a website - it's only because historically we have allowed crappy app permissions structures and allowing apps to ask for things they don't need.

Apps are faster, are more predictable (no auto-reloading or rendering issues) and generally perform better IMO.

On the other hand, in reality, you're correct. I think the NYTimes app will collect more data from me than the NYTimes website.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

The most basic app, a notepad, I often prefer native. When I go between google keep or notion to apple notes I can tell the difference. If the text is long enough, the web apps just can not load the content. Just to confirm: I dumped all of my notes from my insanely large apple notes (about 16000 lines of text) and pasted them into Google Keep, Notion, Google Docs. With the exception of Google Docs the rest of them f…

Now try VSCode in chrome and compare it with apple notes. I use both and VSCode wins hands down in long lines and files.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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post #157

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How would you make a video app in a browser? ie taking videos and then editing them afterwards

GP used hyperbole but was not all wrong. The issue is that most native apps could very well have been web apps. I appreciate that on iOS adding a web app to homescreen is possible, albeit obscure and not many use that feature. I hate that Firefox never really supported PWA for some unfathomable reason.

Exactly. But GP deliberately said all, not most or many.

GPs comment is something that people in politics would called sensational. Extreme rhetoric is great for upvotes because it stirs emotions but it’s not rational.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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post #157

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How would you make a video app in a browser? ie taking videos and then editing them afterwards

The commenter says about most apps. The use case you mentioned requires computing resources. You can do the whole thing on browser too but it is not efficient way . But in the case of delivery apps, finance apps, you don't need much compute as can work exclusively with APIs .

No GPs says there are no apps, which is not most.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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Targeting and profiling. Reselling the data.

That is what the fingerprinting is for.

Fingerprinting is just for identifying user, not getting user data. You can potentially resell things like app usage to credit rating company.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you make a video app in a browser? ie taking videos and then editing them afterwards

The commenter says about most apps. The use case you mentioned requires computing resources. You can do the whole thing on browser too but it is not efficient way . But in the case of delivery apps, finance apps, you don't need much compute as can work exclusively with APIs .

Performance is likely not a reason anymore - and if it is, then it is the platform that imposes it (rust was runs fairly fast in a browser).
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