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ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a common outlook to have if you've never run a site where users upload content. In practice, if you give your users a way to damage or delete their own account, they'll do it without giving it any thought. Then they'll think about it. And they'll want to undo it. When they don't find an "undelete" button, they'll write you an email. And if you don't have an easy switch you can flip to magically fix the problem…

Oh please, do condescend to me about what sites I have run and which I have not, much less ones I have or have not written myself. Look, I (and likely many others here) know what you're talking about, and it's not necessary. You can deactivate things, sure, but you can also say "This cannot be undone," and people will know what that means . Software has commonly operated this way for almost the entire GUI era (at lea…

No condescension intended. Sorry if it came across that way.

I can only throw in my experience, which is that users of the sites I run have a history of not understanding what it means when they hit the delete button, regardless of how many warnings you give them.

As I said, it's a trade off. The upside for the site owner is less headache and angry users. The downside, at least in my experience, is nothing (apart from a red X on this website we're discussing today).

Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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This has the potential to be a great educational tool and hopefully in time will reach a wide audience.

If enough people are aware of the terms it will exert pressure on providers to be more open and reasonable with their terms.

Of course whilst many free services might argue they have more leeway in imposing stricter terms, this still doesn't justify certain treatment of users.

Providing a summary of terms in a standardised manner will also make it much clearer where one particular service deviates in an unreasonable fashion.

In particular, user data and usage of third party cookies would be two categories where it would be good to get visibility.

Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. But sometimes the copyright license conceded by the user goes way beyond what's needed for the service. Why do you give rights to sublicense and to transfer to Facebook or Twitter? Details: http://tos-dr.info/topics.html#copyright-scope

So the developers who built apps that read your FB/Twitter stream are also licensed to show the content.

Not necessary (see SoundCloud for instance). The whole problem is that the copyright license is just overbroad and not limited at all.

Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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post #18

Great concept and smart execution. A suggestion - rather than rating "A" through "E" why not change to the more recognizable (for US audience at least) scale of "A through F" (A/B/C/D/F) which we're all mercilessly trained to recognize through years of school grades? "E" as your worst rating confused me at first glance - could be interpreted as "Excellent"

I vouch for a more international 5-star system.

If stars, then with the lowest grade as zero.

A-E seems appropriate to me, as an English speaker. For others perhaps not.

Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

despite that being an important feature for any site that lets users delete their own content. Well...no. How is it important for a site that lets users delete their own content not delete it? Your statement is self-contradictory.

That's a common outlook to have if you've never run a site where users upload content. In practice, if you give your users a way to damage or delete their own account, they'll do it without giving it any thought. Then they'll think about it. And they'll want to undo it. When they don't find an "undelete" button, they'll write you an email. And if you don't have an easy switch you can flip to magically fix the problem…

You could also delete it definitively after a certain time (say 5 days). You would get the best of both world.

Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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post #34

Gravatar: No Right to leave the service. Really?

random gripe: if you use a different email on gravatar than on github, your gravatar wont show up on github.

it's becoming pretty standard, especially among techies, to have a unique email per site, so you can easily tell if a site is selling your address (or is a victim of a hack, like dropbox was).

I emailed them about it -- too bad!

Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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post #57
post #50

Suggestion: Include a "Under EU Data Protection law: all/some/none" category. Companies in the EU, are required to do various things under EU data protection law. E.g. they are legally required to protect your personal data, they can only use the personal data for things you agreed to, they must tell you what data they keep on you if you ask, if they are wrong and you tell them, they are legally required to update th…

Yes. Differences between legislations is one thing that's making the task harder. I think it's better to focus to what the terms actually state. But I always keep in mind the jurisdiction under which the company operates as it can influence the meaning of the terms. However I'd fear to get to the other extreme and to end up making a rating system saying which legislation is better than the other. It's not the scope.…

Shouldn't "Defending your privacy in US Congress" be out of scope as well, then? It certainly isn't part of a website's terms and conditions. Plus, it's hard to judge how well those activities are going, and how committed the company is in pursuing those activities in the future.

Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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post #46
post #44

I understand that the project welcomes contributions, but who has the final say on the rating of a website? Are there any gate-keepers, and who are they?

For the moment: Anyone who can push to the 5apps.com git master branch. That is people at http://unhosted.org We would be happy to get th umbrella of a non profit org like Mozilla or the EFF. Any way, if you don't like our decision: you can get involved. Or you can fork it.

If this site gets big, its neutrality will be questioned, and you've got to be ready with answers. I don't want to see good efforts like these go to waste.

Re: ToS;DR — TL;DR for Terms of Service and Privacy Policy

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post #87
post #34

Gravatar: No Right to leave the service. Really?

random gripe: if you use a different email on gravatar than on github, your gravatar wont show up on github. it's becoming pretty standard, especially among techies, to have a unique email per site, so you can easily tell if a site is selling your address (or is a victim of a hack, like dropbox was). I emailed them about it -- too bad!

You could register your different email again with Gravatar.
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