tl;dr - Ship something, THEN look for a job. In the real world, your age is a handicap, no matter what people say. Look for differentiators. A great one is the ability to point to something reasonably complicated that you built from scratch and shipped. Very few programmers can do that, and the ones that can are a class above in the eyes of many employers. One thing you have going for you is actual life experience th…
Job market for a 30+ person learning to code?
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Re: Job market for a 30+ person learning to code?
#32Even 20 years ago, Microsoft, et. al. focused on hiring kids right out of college... they're young, easy to mold, cheap, etc.
I won't say the job market is closed to you, but I think that the best power you always have comes form making something yourself. IF you have trouble getting a job in this field, building your own startup -- and I mean, a real business that sells someting to people, SaaS, or whatever business model works for you- something like patio11 -- would be making your own job.
These days we don't need the capital concentration that companies represent, you no longer need to do time as an employee. You can make your own job.
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#33However, in software, barely decent developer are very rare. I have interview more than 100+ people before I start my own startup and another bunch for it, and hardly I can point to 3/4 people that at least solve my interview:
- Code in paper this: Have word, reverse it - Say to me why that is wrong and/or how make it work for very large datasets.
The majority fail hard with the first one. Not matter if come from university, college, work before as developers, etc.
So, if you can do basic programming well, you will have a job. If also, can bring something else to the table - any other skill related to the job - then you will have a better job.
You can try with sell your services in something like odesk.com (I don't see how can age be relevant in that kind of market) if found hard get your first job.
However, I think a person of your age have a BIG advantage over younger: You must be, at this time, more mature, better communicator, more professional, better attitude, etc. That is very important, because everyone wanna have the best hackers, but in reality, prefer professionals ;)
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#36I do not believe that this first group would be the right fit for you.
However, there are some developers that are worth their weight in gold. In my opinion, age does not even come up in such discussions. These people are usually very good at one thing.
The thing that you want to be good at could be something current like Node.js (which will eventually become an old technology), or it could be something timeless - like 'shipping'.
My suggestion, try to be the person who has shipped multiple products. Think of the smallest products that you can build, then try to remove 99% of the features, while still keep them useful, and build them.
If you have a couple such products under your belt, I doubt that you will ever be job hunting.
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#37Something to consider: a lot of the reason people discriminate against older programmers is because it's a signaling quality for other, harder-to-measure qualities that are really important for programmers. When someone sees a 37-year-old mediocre programmer who's been programming since he was 22 and spent 10 years at his last company, they think "Why haven't you advanced? Why are you still doing the same stuff you w…
People like myself who have been programming or working on computer tech stuff almost their whole life would have learned how to consume and adapt new technologies simply as a way of life. I think the whole ageist concept is out of date already and will just continue to deprecate even more as people who grew up with changing technology and embraced it will become the majority in the field.
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#39I became a startup founder when I lost a position at a startup because they hired a younger (cheaper) person. I have 20 years of experience with several patents, etc. Literally we were expanding the team, I interviewed the person, he got the new position, then I was let go. Totally age discrimination, but I couldn't prove it, of course. Even 20 years ago, Microsoft, et. al. focused on hiring kids right out of college…
They may have, mistakenly, undervalued your experience but that's a bad leadership decision, not discrimination.
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#40All but one of the best devs I've worked with are older than 37.
Though the ramen/YC/bootstrap companies get most of the press there are so so so many jobs at larger, more established companies with great benefits and work/life balance where you get to solve hard problems. They are actually pretty fun places.
Seriously, don't think about this again. You are wasting time you could be spending learning a great design pattern, or making your own Android app or whatever.