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Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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All of those people are still happily running XP.

You joke, I get pretty frequent requests from customers to validate that a product is compatible with Microsoft Windows Server 2003. That's basically the server version of XP

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Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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It's not. But not all unacceptable things are illegal. And just as immoral people will do legal-but immoral things, immoral corporations will do the same.

What they're doing might actually be illegal under antitrust law, since it's effectively 'tying' a market-dominant desktop OS to provision of online services. If they are genuinely determined to get rid of the existing workarounds, there might be grounds for a formal complaint on that basis.

Fair enough, but I really meant that it's not illegal (far as I know) to lie about their motivation for doing this. It may well be illegal to do it in the first place.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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How can you set up / use Windows without an Internet connection? Surely that's not an unsupported use case anymore, is it? There's gotta be plenty of places where Internet connectivity is not available or is restricted.

It has been unsupported since the last major Win11 update.

It has been "unsupported" in the sense of "Microsoft doesn't approve of that behavior and won't help you accomplish that goal" since before Windows 11. It is not yet "unsupported" in the sense of "Microsoft has made it entirely impossible"; every year or two they make it incrementally harder, but they have yet to close off all of the workarounds, and even this change may still leave a workaround.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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I'm with you. The very few games I play work great on Linux. As a professional dev, there's absolutely no reason to choose Windows (or any OS, for that matter) over Desktop Linux at this point. I'm convinced Windows is mainly for people that buy computers at Best Buy and corporate IT that are unfortunately funneled into the ecosystem (hats off salute to all you).

I do all my development work on linux. I have a self-hosted linux server. I used ubuntu as my main desktop computer OS for a full year, and in that time I struggled with compatibility issues, games that wouldn't run as well as people said they would, driver update issues, necessary tools that simply don't exist on linux, and various configuration failures that simply don't exist on windows. Saying that you can game o…

I have to do all my corporate work on Windows. I have a self-hosted Windows server. I used Windows as my main work computer OS for three years, and in that time I struggled with compatibility issues, applications that wouldn't run as well as people said they would, driver update issues, necessary tools that simply don't exist on Windows, and various configuration failures that simply don't exist on Linux. Saying that you can work on Windows is like saying you can play games on Linux. Sure, it's technically possible, and for some things it works smoothly. But 99% of resources on the web assume that you're on the normal OS, and as soon as you try to do anything even slightly outside of the basics, you're going to run into trouble.

Granted, I'm using Linux for 25 years now, so I may be biased. Things that are easy on Linux are often incredibly hard on Windows, if they are possible at all. Things that used to be hard on Linux, e.g. installing, gaming, are now easy. Things that used to be easy on Windows, e.g. typing into the start menu search box, installing, are now hard.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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I suspected it was that which is why I spelled it out, but wanted to see if anyone had a more charitable explanation for it.

These companies don't deserve the benefit of doubt. Not after spending decades consistently screwing over users.

The quality of mercy is not strained, etc. They may not deserve the benefit of the doubt, but it is still virtuous to give it to them. If anything, them not deserving it makes it all the more virtuous to give the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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So I have Windows 10, and I was not looking forward to the "upgrade" to 11 at 10's EOL because of the TPM requirement. With this change, I have decided to accept the insecurity of not updating and stick with 10. The only thing I do on Windows is ensure my FOSS is cross-platform.

That's where I'm at. Even before this, I refused to install Windows 11. I daily drive Linux, and I only boot into Windows on occasion when there are games that I can't get to work with Proton. When Windows 10 goes EOL, I will just run it unpatched for those occasional uses. When Steam stops supporting it, I will stop using Windows altogether.

I must say it's quite refreshing to not have to deal with Microsoft's user-hostile nonsense. No shenanigans with required accounts, no ads, no preinstalled bloatware. My OS is made to serve me and my needs, not to eke out extra profits. Ironic that the free option is better at serving me than the paid option, these days.

The sad part is, I like Windows. Or at least I used to. I've never been a "Windoze sucks, I hate M$" guy. Time was that it was genuinely a well made operating system that did its job well and got out of the way. But those days are long since gone. I hope that someday Microsoft gets their act together and starts caring about making a quality product again.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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I'm with you. The very few games I play work great on Linux. As a professional dev, there's absolutely no reason to choose Windows (or any OS, for that matter) over Desktop Linux at this point. I'm convinced Windows is mainly for people that buy computers at Best Buy and corporate IT that are unfortunately funneled into the ecosystem (hats off salute to all you).

I do all my development work on linux. I have a self-hosted linux server. I used ubuntu as my main desktop computer OS for a full year, and in that time I struggled with compatibility issues, games that wouldn't run as well as people said they would, driver update issues, necessary tools that simply don't exist on linux, and various configuration failures that simply don't exist on windows. Saying that you can game o…

> ...driver update issues...

Are these nVidia drivers? If so, there's your problem. nVidia on Linux has always been a shitshow of varying degrees (and based on my investigation over the years, I've found that the majority of the problems people say they have with xorg are problems that go away when you use AMD or Intel hardware).

Anyway, Steam works great for me on Linux, and I don't use the various cheating tools that are popular in online FPS games, so E_NO_REPRO, WORKSFORME.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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> We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience of Windows 11. This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account. "enhancing security and user experience" -- what a ridiculous, bold-faced lie. Bravo Microsoft.

It's standard practice for corporations to lie about their motivations for decisions. Why is this acceptable?

The only way to limit it would be with regulations and regulations are a bit taboo.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Since there’s a good chance someone involved will read this, I mean this in the most sincere way possible and I hope you take it to heart: Just fuck off.

Unfortunately, the people who made the decision almost certainly won't read this. At best, it'll be seen by some developers who were opposed to this, fought against it, and got overruled by management. I have no doubt that the tech guys at Microsoft hate this stuff just as much as the users do.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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It's dumb on every angle. How many people are going to these lengths to avoid an MS account? Even if they suck it up and stick with Windows, will this really convert them into MS Store app buys or whatever? I doubt it. They make people mad, they lose some customers... Maybe that's the whole point? I just don't get it.

Maybe governmenral apparatuses are pushing them to add this so they can track more people, especially the types that don't want to be tracked.

governmenral apparatuses use Windows mostly. So they are making it easier for the enemy governments to hack them.
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