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Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by kedarkhand »

alephnerd wrote: post #169
kedarkhand wrote: post #70

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Hopefully Uttarakhand can follow Himachal Pradesh, but it is ravaged by national parties as of now, best case scenario, the new youth leadership of UKD actually wins and does some work

> best case scenario, the new youth leadership of UKD actually wins and does some work Trust me. You don't want that. Ussi najuwane nu khadi pata ni hege (Kangri but translate to your equivalent)

Even if they lack experience, they are still a better alternative than BJP and Congress who have done nothing but loot Uttarakhand up to this point!

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Post by YouAreRONGS »

1zael wrote: post #59

My great-grandparents were landowners in Kollengode, a village on the foothills of the Western Ghats. They operated on a system of sharecropping, which the Communist party took away (along with their land) in the 1970s for redistribution. While this eliminated much of our family wealth, most of the next generation family members weren't disturbed by it because they were proud of Kerala's reputation of having the high…

> Many people think of North Indians as the de-facto "business" class in India,

It's not "North Indians" that people think of but rather "West Indians". Virtually all of the states along the western coast of India can claim to be merchant class because they were trading with places like Europe, Central Asia and the MIddle East.

The majority of trade with East Asia seems to have been done by those on the east coast, notably Telegu, Tamils and the Sri Lankans. There are mountains in the way for substanial land-based trade between Myanmar and China, but I assume that Nepalis/Myanmar/Tibetans also had a role in connecting India and East Asia. Interestingly India has much for cultural and social synergy with East Asia despite this.

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Post by psudohadex »

Kerala has a strong pool of high-quality but underpaid software engineers and some of the most active FOSS communities in India. Unfortunately, in today's capitalist landscape, many talented engineers from middle-class backgrounds are compelled to move to other states like Bengaluru for better-paying opportunities.

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Post by YouAreRONGS »

your_challenger wrote: post #239
redzedi wrote: post #69

y is this on HN first page? by wat measure is Kerala rich? No industries if exports bodies to ME, commie rule for decades atrophied all industry. It's a political hitjob against India central gov, HN should keep its standard above this shitshow

Well, we know who this guy is. Something good is said about Kerala and he has to jump in to bring it down.

I question why it's on the front page as well even though I'm Tamil.

Kerala is by no-means unique in India. It's controversial because the state is communist and majority Christian/Muslim, on top of being one of the thorns for the BJP (albeit a small one at least).

It reeks more of left-wing propaganda being promoted by left-wing narratives in the western world that end up supporting corrupt and divisve left-wing politcians.

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Post by glass1209 »

This article and thread is highly engineered, apart from few comments. This got nothing to do people of kerala.

They have some of the highest debt in india. The government even went as far as to put empty home tax, which is highly uncommon in india.

Lack of industries and job opportunities people are moving out of the state. This is a a propaganda, probably by the state.you just need to do some simple search to validate my comments.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

YouAreRONGS wrote: post #230
not_kurt_godel wrote: post #164

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The connection between education and wealth is very strong. Very sad that the US has decided to pursue a trajectory towards poverty in this area.

Literacy is a by-product of raising living standards. It's not inherintly something that will alone lead to higher living standards.

While I agree, countries like the US where everyone was pretty much already literate decades ago, can and do backslide into anti-intellectualism even when living standards are rising. I have seen it myself.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

zoul wrote: post #225
WorkerBee28474 wrote: post #203

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It may be strong to a point , but many countries are beyond that point. Look at how many countries there are that are better educated than the USA but have lower incomes. Japan, Germany, Canada, probably dozens more.

Higher income does not equal higher quality of life. Which is, arguably, what really matters to people.

QoL is a relative metric though. If you see people around you living better than you, your QoL becomes poor even though you live better than 99% of people in the world

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Post by j0e1 »

One thing I find amusing as a Malayali (aka Keralite) myself is how we tend to get excited seeing other Malayalis. One of the first questions usually is "Where are you from in Kerala?" (or in Romanized Malayalam: naatil evideya?)

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by YouAreRONGS »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #246
YouAreRONGS wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literacy is a by-product of raising living standards. It's not inherintly something that will alone lead to higher living standards.

While I agree, countries like the US where everyone was pretty much already literate decades ago, can and do backslide into anti-intellectualism even when living standards are rising. I have seen it myself.

Is that really anti-intellectualism? Do you have any examples?

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

nick__m wrote: post #201
paulluuk wrote: post #175

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I think that in almost all western countries, a life spent entirely on hoarding wealth for the sake of wealth, is considered a sad life. Especially if you don't even have any loved ones to share your wealth with. I think the same it true for most of Latin america, where many of my friends and colleagues are from. And when I was in Nepal they thought that, if anything, western people are way too much focused on gather…

Islam specifically rejects hoarding wealth, so I think that pretty much takes out most of the middle east I don't know much about religions but I don't believe it is that clearly delineated. How would you explain Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Bahrain, from my limited vantage point they seem pretty much all in on their religion. Are they practicing a perverse form of Islam like the Christian who practi…

There's no such thing as prosperity gospel in Islam. I researched all the major religions when I decided to become religious in my 20s. The prosperity gospel even in Christianity has very loose / 0 underpinnings in any actual theological study.

The Gulf countries became wealthy because of oil. They don't really hoard that wealth though. They are pretty famous around the world for investing that money, no? They fund universities (with many Gulf countries having their own outpost of NYU or other such prestigious colleges), arts and arts museums (there is a Louvre in the Middle East), tech startups, and of course invest in tourism to diversify their country.

They also have many horrible qualities, which are 100% not condoned in Islam like employing slaves in deadly conditions even though all nations agreed to abolish slavery years ago. Or confiscating the passports of foreign workers. Or their ethnostate mentality (similar to Israel where citizens must be of a specific blood lineage even though the majority of people living in their nation are not of that lineage). I could go on and on.

Anyways, Tl;Dr, I don't think they really hoard wealth. They do spend and invest in the world around them and find lots of charitable things (they have rebuilt Palestine a few times now, a very costly endeavor). Also, being Muslim doesn't mean they don't do anything morally wrong by that religion's standard. Same as the many charlatan "priests" of various religions in the world.

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