This is made worse by Windows 11 retail images being years behind on Wi-Fi drivers. We recommend to customers to use Rufus to create Windows USB installers to bypass the network requirements because Windows 11 doesn’t come with functioning drivers for any of the last few generations of Wi-Fi cards we use.
Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
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Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
#72What are you supposed to do if you have no Internet connectivity? You basically have a brick on your hands until you can connect it to the Internet? That's ridiculous.
I mean, Xbox has been like this for a long time and clearly it's not dettering sales at all - and even with Windows the functionality to skip it has been well hidden and required bringing up windows console and typing in a command that rebooted the installer - hardly something that your average person would do I guess. So yeah, it's ridiculous, but Microsoft knows it will make zero difference to sales.
I own an xbox (which I received as a gift) and absolutely hate having to log into it any time I want to use it. MY 15 year old PS3 still delivers a far more pleasant user experience.
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#73Windows 11 taskbar has space... for 11 icons when run on a laptop screen. This is killing my (and maaaany others) productivity since in some jobs you constantly need to switch between multiple windows. Yea, extrnal programs exist, but they can br buggy, cost extra money on top... and good luck installing them on a coporate computer. Ive seen like 20-30 people with the same problem: taskbar being useless. Windows 11 i…
That's what alt+tab is for
Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
#74I actively avoid using a MS account on my local Windows machines. Until last week when I logged into Teams and Windows activated that account as the Windows account on the next boot. The problem is: I was using my wife's laptop. I dunno how to remove the account without creating more problems.
Do you have a "switch to local account" option in Windows's accounts settings screen? That would be the cleanest option if available.
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#75What is MS's motivation to push so strongly to have everyone on a Microsoft account? I really hope it's not primarily so that they can more effectively target your computer for ads. Or upsell some service subscriptions.
It's so they can:
1. More effectively target you for ads
2. Upsell cloud service subscriptions
3. Cross-promote other Microsoft services, your windows account means you already have an xbox/skype/minecraft/whatever account.
4. Provide extra features, like syncing your tabs between devices and backing up your passkeys to the cloud.
5. More closely emulate Android and iOS, major and successful rivals of Windows.
6. Keep track of software licenses and suchlike. Ideally through an app store where they get a 30% cut of every purchase.
7. Avoid having their cash-cow products like MS Office out-competed by collaborative, cloud-based new entrants.
Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
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#77Windows 7 was legitimately pretty good. It’s been downhill ever since.
10 was basically fine as a glorified gaming console as well.
I don’t know how people use it for, like, work stuff or whatever.
Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
#78What is MS's motivation to push so strongly to have everyone on a Microsoft account? I really hope it's not primarily so that they can more effectively target your computer for ads. Or upsell some service subscriptions.
> I really hope it's not primarily so that they can more effectively target your computer for ads. Or upsell some service subscriptions. I hope you're not that naive. Alas, smart people have been shining a light on Microsoft's path for over a decade.
I suspected it was that which is why I spelled it out, but wanted to see if anyone had a more charitable explanation for it.
Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, it's bald -faced lie but I wouldn't disagree that it's bold. The idea that you need to confirm you're connected to the internet and that creating a Microsoft account is merely for that purpose is preposterous on its face. Not that I was ever a regular on windows, but I think I've at least found there to be a necessity to be on windows for certain desirable games or for PC apps. So I've always kind of recognized…
I'm with you. The very few games I play work great on Linux. As a professional dev, there's absolutely no reason to choose Windows (or any OS, for that matter) over Desktop Linux at this point. I'm convinced Windows is mainly for people that buy computers at Best Buy and corporate IT that are unfortunately funneled into the ecosystem (hats off salute to all you).
I'm a dev using Windows, tried Linux multiple times for a couple of months and it always felt like it was getting in my way in daily usage.
Dev experience is usually at worst the same as Linux when you use wsl as you don't really need more than the terminal
Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
#80So I have Windows 10, and I was not looking forward to the "upgrade" to 11 at 10's EOL because of the TPM requirement. With this change, I have decided to accept the insecurity of not updating and stick with 10. The only thing I do on Windows is ensure my FOSS is cross-platform.
> I have Windows 10, and I was not looking forward to the "upgrade" to 11 at 10's EOL because of ... I refused to "upgrade" past Windows 7. When Windows 7 went EOL, I installed Linux. I've never looked back.
Oh, Linux is my daily driver. Gentoo, so I am no Linux noob.
I just use Windows to build and test my FOSS on it.