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Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by zozbot234 »

moomin wrote: post #97
Der_Einzige wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what happens when literal communists run your government.

Honestly, reading this article, it's not making Kerala-style communism sound bad. What's more, they appear to have pivoted when they'd achieved their aims into making people richer. It's a classic "invest, then profit" story, only for an entire state.

Socialism with Kerala characteristics? I'm a bit skeptical of that, people often point to the Scandinavian model as especially successful but when you look into the data, that actually combines redistribution (funded by higher taxes) with a lot of economic freedom and a light-touch attitude from government that are all ideologically counter to "communism" or "socialism" of any kind.

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by facile3232 »

benced wrote: post #61

Kerala has extremely aggressive out-migration (including my entire family): it is a bad place to be ambitious, particularly with the France-like union culture. If India is to become China-rich or Mexico-rich, my prediction is Kerala will regress to the mean of India states. Its model seems geared towards being an extremely good place to be poor (which is a huge achievement to be clear: they dealt with COVID better th…

> it is a bad place to be ambitious

Ambition doesn't imply exploitation. I think you mean "predatory".

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by TulliusCicero »

harichinnan wrote: post #29
jmathai wrote: post #12

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There's a lot of brain drain in Kerala with people getting educated and leaving. Those that leave do, however, send money back to their families and I know many who return to live in India after 5-10 years. This was the case a decade or two ago and I'm not sure if it's still the case. I had many aunts or uncles who would leave their family behind in India and work in the middle east for many years before returning to…

Remittanced only contribute to 15% of GDSP. 65% is from tertiary sectors of IT, Healthcare and Tourism. Kerala gets substantial investments from private companies instead as opposed to large corporations in Gujarat for example. Investments in Kerala rarely grab news headlines as it’s mostly private investments.

"Only"? That's more than 4x as high as the overall Indian average: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.TRF.PWKR.DT.GD.ZS?na...

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by vinay427 »

jmathai wrote: post #3

I was born in the US but my parents are from Kerala and I still have family there that I visit. One thing I found interesting was the pride in literacy and education. Kerala has a 96% literacy rate which is the highest in India [1]. It's one of my favorite places to visit. Unlike other parts of India such as Bengaluru, Mumbai and Hyderbad -- it's tropical and lush with much less pollution than what you might see in t…

> Unlike other parts of India such as Bengaluru, Mumbai and Hyderbad -- it's tropical and lush with much less pollution than what you might see in those other parts of India.

Somewhat ironically these are relatively low pollution as large cities in India go. There is still a good amount of greenery in Bengaluru (it is famous for it) but obviously far less than a few decades ago, as many residents lament.

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by sowhat25 »

sva_ wrote: post #107
rehupaa wrote: post #102

Namaste!!! Kerala and all India states are very beautifull places of the India. I’d traveling there 3 months in 2017-2018 and only one seroius problem is everywhere, pollution of plastic and all kind of rubbish! Then people burn rubbish in fire! They vsn send space craft to out of the planet but not manage to recycle bio compost, glass bottles and metal cans ext.. people throw to nature all rubbish!! So it is time to…

I'll have what he's having

Joy?

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by RUnconcerned »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #95
benced wrote: post #61

Kerala has extremely aggressive out-migration (including my entire family): it is a bad place to be ambitious, particularly with the France-like union culture. If India is to become China-rich or Mexico-rich, my prediction is Kerala will regress to the mean of India states. Its model seems geared towards being an extremely good place to be poor (which is a huge achievement to be clear: they dealt with COVID better th…

This is what happens when literal communists run your government.

Actually, when literal communists run your government, you become China-rich, as OP put it. Contrast China's economic development with that of India's post 1950.

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by zozbot234 »

facile3232 wrote: post #112
benced wrote: post #61

Kerala has extremely aggressive out-migration (including my entire family): it is a bad place to be ambitious, particularly with the France-like union culture. If India is to become China-rich or Mexico-rich, my prediction is Kerala will regress to the mean of India states. Its model seems geared towards being an extremely good place to be poor (which is a huge achievement to be clear: they dealt with COVID better th…

> it is a bad place to be ambitious Ambition doesn't imply exploitation. I think you mean "predatory".

Typically "a bad place to be ambitious" implies that others will try to exploit you instead. Keep in mind that a mismanaged government can be a lot more predatory than any private actor.

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by zozbot234 »

RUnconcerned wrote: post #116
Der_Einzige wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what happens when literal communists run your government.

Actually, when literal communists run your government, you become China-rich, as OP put it. Contrast China's economic development with that of India's post 1950.

China is the best case, yes. But "literal communists" also ran Cambodia, North Korea, Cuba etc. Not so good!

Re: How Kerala got rich

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Post by satvikpendem »

RUnconcerned wrote: post #116
Der_Einzige wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what happens when literal communists run your government.

Actually, when literal communists run your government, you become China-rich, as OP put it. Contrast China's economic development with that of India's post 1950.

Compare the policies and results of Deng to Mao, the latter is more "literally communist." Their embracing of capitalist principles is what enabled their boom, same with Vietnam with their Đổi Mới policies.
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