For posterity, here's a spreadsheet of all Daring Fireball submissions to HN, sorted chronologically: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A7ljmWbHtFsB4VRJ1Q0d... From first glance there's still some decent traffic on Daring Fireball submissions, even inside the times Gruber asserts deadweighting.
The data was retrieved from the public HN dataset on BigQuery: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40644563 SELECT id, title, url, FORMAT_TIMESTAMP("%Y-%m-%d %H:%m:%S", timestamp, "America/New_York") AS submission_datetime, score, descendants as comments FROM `bigquery-public-data.hacker_news.full` WHERE type = "story" AND REGEXP_CONTAINS(url, r"daringfireball\.net") ORDER BY submission_datetime
The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
He created markdown, does that not tick the programmer / technologist box? Few people will create anything quite as impactful.
Two decades ago. Does that mean his take on smartphone screen size or Blue Sky vs Threads is anything HN in general needs to hear? Probably not. But I'll bet if he wrote a considered piece on "The Next Generation of Markdown" or something it would do numbers. I mean, they compared him with Richard M. Stallman, who we know was extraordinarily consequential and influential in technology, but that doesn't mean his takes…
I don’t see why HN wouldn’t want to read his take on it, I think you could make the same statement about any career journalist?
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#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you tried emailing hn@ycombinator.com and asking? From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html How are stories ranked? The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in threads are ranked the same way. Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator acti…
I wonder can a submitted post be flagged without displaying the leading tag? Because there is definitively something preventing Gruber's posts from reaching the first page although most of his posts are not overtly flagged. But as you say he should ask @dang for more informations.
https://medium.com/p/8234e43dbe4c if posted would not get anything, but the actual url that it redirects to https://medium.com/luminasticity/great-products-of-illuminat... if posted might get some.
DF does not seem to have any problem like that, but it just shows there might be issues that one is unaware about preventing uptake of your posts and instead of going about whining just ask Dang and maybe get an answer.
on edit: sorry, misremembered, not all redirects - link shorteners are the issue.
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#255It's certainly possible there's a backend flag on the site. But from the comments I see on Reddit, I suspect there may be a simpler explanation: a lot of people for some reason really dislike John Gruber and view him as someone who slavishly praises Apple. I'm a big John Gruber fan, and I don't think this is true in the slightest. I think he thinks carefully, forms his own opinions, and is very willing to intensely c…
> But overall the algorithm has kept HN an interesting place. Any good moderation policy has side effects and tradeoffs. I don’t think so. From his follow-up: > My thesis is that the above might once have been an accurate summary of how Hacker News functions, but hasn’t been for years, and that there now exists a cabal of moderator/admins with their thumbs on the scale, and their personal predilections are the primar…
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd like to see whether the perceived rightward direction is new, younger people joining, or older people changing. Determining that scientifically is going to be near impossible. Kinda like convincing people to adopt Slashdot's moderation and meta-moderation lol.
Pretty much all the stats coming out recently show youth male vote has gone much more +R than in recent history, so could very well be the case of the next gen of SWEs joining HNs and being mad about affronts to orange man. Some of it just feels like a small part of a constellation of cultural/society/business leader behavioral changes which are the natural pendulum swing overcorrection from peak +D sentiment in summ…
This cycle has basically continued ever since Reagan.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty much all the stats coming out recently show youth male vote has gone much more +R than in recent history, so could very well be the case of the next gen of SWEs joining HNs and being mad about affronts to orange man. Some of it just feels like a small part of a constellation of cultural/society/business leader behavioral changes which are the natural pendulum swing overcorrection from peak +D sentiment in summ…
The natural pendulum swing of “Rs get in govt, f things up, so people get mad at them, elect Dems, who largely stabilize things, and so people forget they got mad at the Rs because they f’ed things up, reelect them because they’re better at lying about their promises, and then the R’s f things up and people get mad at them…”. This cycle has basically continued ever since Reagan.
Yet there isn't much reward for any fixing.
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
Two decades ago. Does that mean his take on smartphone screen size or Blue Sky vs Threads is anything HN in general needs to hear? Probably not. But I'll bet if he wrote a considered piece on "The Next Generation of Markdown" or something it would do numbers. I mean, they compared him with Richard M. Stallman, who we know was extraordinarily consequential and influential in technology, but that doesn't mean his takes…
I don’t understand the criticism - he is a journalist who has released very impactful software in his career. I don’t see why HN wouldn’t want to read his take on it, I think you could make the same statement about any career journalist?
Like looking through the recent submissions of DF entries, it's extremely thin gruel -
He thought Bluesky would beat Mastodon, and wants credit for his prediction. Neat, a million people have made this observation.
Apple TV+ is losing money, but Apple thought it would so who cares. Again, utterly irrelevant to this audience.
Siri is bad -- yes, everyone knows. Discussed on here endlessly.
iOS 18 updates re-enables Apple Intelligence -- yeah, we talked about it here a week earlier.
Some executive changes at Apple -- literally just quoting from a Bloomberg article. I mean, this is a pattern across DF where entries are him quoting Fortune or Bloomberg or some tweet and then adding some rejoinder or cheap thoughts.
And it goes on and on. None of this is HN material. It's someone summarizing or giving opinions on actual reporting after the fact. These are basically tweets.
If your content is basically reading tech news and then giving quips or thoughts on some of the news, that sort of stuff just doesn't do well here. And if a minority keep upvoting it, eventually the domain gets down-ranked.
He has had some entries that he put a lot of work and thought into, and they have done well here, even in the past few months. But I assume he looked at the analytics, realized that "blogs" are kind of a fading thing, and decided to try to juice this HN thing as an impression funnel. Which, it should be noted, is pretty funny when you read his posts on Mastodon/Bsky about this, where there his avowed fans saying that HN is just a bunch of poopy head wannabes and it isn't like it used to be, etc. The "it isn't me, it's you" method of self reflection.
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect there may be a simpler explanation: a lot of people for some reason really dislike John Gruber and view him as someone who slavishly praises Apple. This is most definitely true but he, and Apple, have always been very polarizing. I don't think either one has become more polarizing? And if so, certainly not in some extremely sudden way that would explain DF's popularity on HN falling off of a cliff. HN's cro…
He did start to write a lot about US politics, which for me is enough to stop reading his blog.
He did start to write a lot about US politics,
which for me is enough to stop reading his blog.
That makes complete sense to me. It would take only a very few "major turn-off" articles to make me remove a blog from my feed and/or stop visiting it directly. Even a 1% incidence of such posts could cause that blog to lose 100% of my traffic.However, that doesn't adequately explain DF articles' swift removal from HN's front page.
On HN's page front page I'd expect article links to sink or swim based entirely on their own individual merit.
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#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
My question was, has Gruber written enough non-political articles to know? It's easy to answer, right? I scrolled down the front page starting at today while watching some opening day baseball. I generally like DF so I was curious if I was just being biased. I counted: - 25 articles squarely about tech - 7 about politics, though it should be noted that I counted articles about the Signal leak in this category even th…
In Jan 2025 his archive has 13 articles. 5 were about Trump. One about Pebble was more link than original content. His archive for Jan 2014, Jan 2015, and Jan 2016 is 100% tech. Going from 100% quality content to 54% is a big drop. I'm sure you could get different results focusing on different time periods, but there's a clear shift away from Apple. So here's a question- if John himself is a lot less interested in Ap…
Before the years in which you cited his posts were still 100% tech.
So, to recap: your hypothesis is that a perceived shift in focus in January 2025 retroactively affected his placement on HN in previous decades? Does this involve time travel?