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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by StrLght »

spudlyo wrote: post #32

I'm done with macOS, I've migrated to Linux for my general purpose computing. With every new release of macOS, Gatekeeper is becoming harder and harder to bypass, increasing Apple's control over what software can be run on macOS, forcing apps to be signed with an Apple Developer ID. While I'm happy they are taking security seriously, I'm seriously creeped out that macOS sends hashes of every executable I run to their…

I migrated to Linux about a year ago too. Not the smoothest experience ever (looking at you, ath11k with device-specific quirks) but so far I am delighted. Finally, I don't have to fight my computer to do things I expect it to do.

Unfortunately, I still have to deal with macOS for work due to corporate policies.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

r5Khe wrote: post #33
rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

I've been using Macs since Mac OS 9, and Snow Leopard was indeed very good. It remains my favorite version of Mac OS. I actually think it was Snow Leopard that started the rush of developers to Mac as _the_ platform to use.

Exactly.

People don't want animojis, and they don't want other trite new features that only seem to exist because Apple feels it needs to demo something new every year.

What they want is something that just works without annoyances, distractions, failures, or complications.

Give them that and they'll break down the doors trying to get their hands on it, because it's so far from how most tech works today.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by onemoresoop »

olivierestsage wrote: post #132
rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

I can't believe I'm saying it, but I agree with you about GNOME being my forever desktop. I used to really make fun of GNOME during the 2->3 transition, which seemed so profoundly misguided, but now I love it. I don't know if they've massively improved it or if my perspective has just changed with time.

It could be a third option, the bloat in other OSes has made a less bloated OS look very pleasant and useful.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by bigyabai »

thewebguyd wrote: post #38
rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

> Most of the other examples in the article also apply, but to be honest I've been using GNOME in parallel for years now and I consider it to be my "forever desktop" if PC hardware can ever match Apple Silicon (or, most likely, if I want something that is _just a computer_). I'm there as well. I've been really enjoying desktop Linux lately, but I can't go back to a non-Apple laptop at this point. There's just nothing…

Your loss. I haven't been able to tolerate the MacOS experience since Catalina, running GNOME with a Magic Trackpad has felt head-and-shoulders better for the past 3 years at least. Apple Silicon is neat but was never an option for native development in my workflows anyways. The software matters more to me, and MacOS has been sliding down the subscription slopware slope for years now.

I am perfectly happy to use last-gen hardware from Ebay if it runs an OS that isn't begging me to pay for subscriptions and "developer fees" annually. My dignity as a human is well worth it.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by AlexandrB »

silvr wrote: post #45

Agree. Apple needs to clean up shop - MacOS has been egregiously worsening year over year. Some features like Universal Control and Continuity Camera are legitimately awesome, but they do not make up for the INSANELY slow System Settings app that gets harder to navigate with each release and which has >2s wait times for the right pane to respond to a change in the left pane. Steve Jobs would have fired the person res…

System Settings is awful. Whoever decided to hide tons of settings inside innocuous "(i)" non-buttons should be kept far away from UX design. It's the hamburger menu of macOS.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by CuriousRose »

yawndex wrote: post #82
silvr wrote: post #45

Agree. Apple needs to clean up shop - MacOS has been egregiously worsening year over year. Some features like Universal Control and Continuity Camera are legitimately awesome, but they do not make up for the INSANELY slow System Settings app that gets harder to navigate with each release and which has >2s wait times for the right pane to respond to a change in the left pane. Steve Jobs would have fired the person res…

Absolutely. I love the work they have been doing on the backend, like PQ3 [1], but it just doesn't work for me when the Stickers and Emojis extensions on Mac leak several GBs of RAM and I have to terminate it several times a day to free up memory. Another thing I dislike is that it stores the whole message history on the device. It's nice to have at times, but I send a lot of photos, which adds up in storage over tim…

Local iMessage storage is debilitating. I have over 90GB of iMessage history that I don't want deleted. The keep messages for x days removes it from iCloud and the Mac though. Why?

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by wdavidw »

rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

> consider it to be my "forever desktop"

Feelings shared, if only Gnome would provide this column-based file navigation that I miss so much

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by ehutch79 »

hamandcheese wrote: post #86
hkpack wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that you're doing it on principle, but for a software development team, 99$/year is a really minuscule price to pay to be able to build / notarise / distribute software. Developers pay exorbitant amount of money for much lesser value, and the idea of putting your teammates at risk to stick it to apple is kind of sad bordering with negligence from a business POV.

Adding signing as a requirement can easily make what was once a very simple distribution mechanism into something much more complex - now you need manage signing certificates and keys to be able to build your thing. The cost is far far higher than the price.

I take it you feel the trade off for dev team inconvenience, vs end user security, is not worth it?

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by onemoresoop »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #142
r5Khe wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Macs since Mac OS 9, and Snow Leopard was indeed very good. It remains my favorite version of Mac OS. I actually think it was Snow Leopard that started the rush of developers to Mac as _the_ platform to use.

Exactly. People don't want animojis, and they don't want other trite new features that only seem to exist because Apple feels it needs to demo something new every year. What they want is something that just works without annoyances, distractions, failures, or complications. Give them that and they'll break down the doors trying to get their hands on it, because it's so far from how most tech works today.

Something that just works and is stable is bad business for companies these days.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

#150

Post by lor_louis »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #20

> I am not suggesting Apple has fallen behind Windows or Android. Changing a setting on Windows 11 can often involve a journey through three or four different interface designs, artifacts of half-implemented changes dating back to the last century. Whenever I find myself stuck outside of Appleland, I am eager to return “home,” flaws and all. Hard agree with this. I sometimes have to boot up a windows laptop to play M…

To be fair, win11 is a nightmare in terms of usability. I can only assume a committee of eldritch beings and accountants designed it.

It blows my mind that when right-clicking on a file in file explorer, the 'delete' option is hidden in a sub-menu under 'more options'.

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