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Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Probably gonna get downvoted for quoting Lenin on this site -- but he nailed this 120 years ago in "What is to be done?". We are witnessing the collapse of Liberalism in real-time. Liberalism has outlived its usefulness as a tool of containing class conflict. The US ruling class has nearly consolidated absolute power and is disposing of Liberalism because it was only ever a tool used for their benefit . This is not j…

A heliocentric model isn't necessary for solar eclipse explanation.

"The moon and the sun revolve around the Earth, the moon is closer, and sometimes it is interposed between the sun and the Earth" is a story that works if the coordinate frame is Earth-centric or sun-centric.

(I know this wasn't the point of this comment, but identifying the problem while missing key details that end up mattering in the long run is, arguably, where Leninism falls down as effective political philosophy, so it seemed relevant. Lenin identified the problem of class consolidation, but attempts to reconcile it just moved the class barriers around instead of breaking them).

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sheer amount of regulations is an incredibly tangled mess. For housing, for example, typically every city has its own standards, so your talking thousands of different sets of standards. They usually won't be all that different from the next city over, but nevertheless they're functionally separate, you can't directly change the whole state or country at once. You can get state laws that push cities to change, of…

Some of that is for good reason. Take for instance in North Carolina; a house built in the mountains in the west will have quite different standards from one built on the Outer Banks.

Yeah, some local standards are reasonable and necessary, but most are just about "character", not actual building standards to adopt to local geography or anything like that.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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post #9

I think the author has it quite backwards, at least as it comes to housing. Politicians are beholden to the members of their district, not would-be members. Sure, more affordable housing would benefit many people, but it wouldn't benefit the members of the district, particularly the wealthy and powerful, since more affordable housing is very nearly equivalent to real estate values decreasing (at the very least, as pe…

We live in a nation where grown-up children systematically are, in a way, turned into economic refugees fleeing the high-cost areas where they were born and their parents live. There are lots of people that care deeply about promoting housing abundance, more than enough to be a political force.

The real problem is-- this is a problem of a diffuse absence. There is, generally, no simple focused location to complain about, and the problem does not lend itself to a roll-up-our-sleeves-and-spend-some-money solution. Those are called "housing projects" and they are a tool of last resort.

In addition, this is a failed policy built on the shoulders of a failed transportation policy. Government is stuck on the developmental cul-de-sac of rubber tires and individual vehicles, and the housing crisis is intrinsically linked to this. The modern generation has demonstrated no profoundly increased enthusiasm for investment in mass transit, and instead prefer unproven technology fixes always just beyond the horizon.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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post #20

A popular view in the YIMBY community is that restrictive zoning and other policies that limit housing are pushed by homeowners who are benefitting from a housing shortage, in some kind of long-range Machiavellian conspiracy to alter macroeconomics in their favor. But this doesn't really hold up when you think about it. Restrictions on housing expansion are generally very local, with projects being blocked on the mun…

> As the neighborhood becomes denser, rents might go down, but land values will go up, since a given piece of land can now be used to build a more profitable apartment building.

You're taking about the wholesale destruction of neighborhoods, as they are, to be replaced with something else. The land value might go up, but the existing house value goes down, especially halfway through such a project. It's one thing if you're replacing low density multitenant buildings with higher-density ones, but it's a totally different story if you're replacing detached, single family homes. Usually the latter only happens after a decade or 3 of neglected, low value homes.

Higher density brings pluses and minuses.. more businesses, transit and other services, but also more traffic, crime, noise, etc.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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post #9

I think the author has it quite backwards, at least as it comes to housing. Politicians are beholden to the members of their district, not would-be members. Sure, more affordable housing would benefit many people, but it wouldn't benefit the members of the district, particularly the wealthy and powerful, since more affordable housing is very nearly equivalent to real estate values decreasing (at the very least, as pe…

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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism.

In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing.

I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it should be a no-brainer, so I'll bring up and ask why not? And there are basically two reasons:

- There's a general fear of being a landlord. Tenants have a lot of legal rights, and the risk of inviting someone onto your property who could start squatting or doing drugs and not being able to evict them is beyond the pale for most families.

- They don't need the money. If you can afford a home in the area, you're already pretty well off. Even though adding a rental could be pretty lucrative, there's just not enough motivation to go through with it.

To me it has little to do with incumbent politicians and everything to do with the incumbent middle class. I'm all for removing red tape and restrictions, but we also need to come up with incentives to light a fire under the butts of individual actors in our economy to actually go out and make things.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#47

Instead of getting tangled up in social issues, liberal politicians should be prioritizing housing, infrastructure and government services supporting people's economic activity of all kinds. Delivering better lives for people, and having the courage to stand up to vested interests, from house owners to corporations, would create a huge and lasting political win across a broad section of the electorate.

It’s amazing that this gets upvoted while it is completely uninformed about what liberal politicians actually run on. This is what the Kamala campaign ran on, it didn’t work. People love getting tangled on social issues as it’s the most provocative. This conception that most people actually care about rational policies is false and has been false for at least the past decade.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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It's in the article but I want to elevate it to the thread for folks who don't read the article. The new book Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson is an interesting book in the context of modern American Politics and inflation and worth a read.

We all know adding money to a system without adding more stuff creates inflation. Abundance is an interesting evolution that in my view is a step forward to what has been remanded as "tax and spend" politics of both US political parties.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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post #7

Old people are 'aging in place' instead of cultivating the new generation and it really, really shows

With that said, a substantial part of that is that every major city in the US has spent decades underbuilding housing, so the smaller homes that urban seniors might otherwise want to downsize to are in very short supply in the first place.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Instead of getting tangled up in social issues, liberal politicians should be prioritizing housing, infrastructure and government services supporting people's economic activity of all kinds. Delivering better lives for people, and having the courage to stand up to vested interests, from house owners to corporations, would create a huge and lasting political win across a broad section of the electorate.

I'm pretty sure the political group that can guarantee a quality National Health Service in the US will win

When the Democrats had a majority in the House and a supermajority in the Senate when Obama was elected, they couldn't even get a public option included in the Affordable Care Act, and the right so successfully demagogued "Obamacare" (their name for it) that the Democrats lost an incredible number of seats in the 2010 midterms. Bernie Sanders campaigned on Medicare for All (essentially what you're suggesting) in 2016 and 2020, and he didn't even win the Democratic primary.

Despite how big a problem healthcare is in the US, most voters fear any change that may put their current health coverage at risk. Most people under 65 have (or feel like they have) decent-to-good health insurance through an employer-sponsored plan and don't necessarily see a big benefit to throwing that away. People over 65 are fiercely protective of their Medicare benefits and tend to worry that Medicare for All is going to make their healthcare worse. (Judging by the amount of "shocked Pikachu face" we see lately from Trump voters who expected him to fix the economy, there's a critical group of swing voters who seem unwilling or unable to accurately judge candidates based on their policies vs. their vibes.)

I don't agree with those people. I'd love to see our healthcare system dramatically overhauled. But between the polarization and risk aversion of American voters, "a quality National Health Service" has not proven to be a winning platform so far and is unlikely to be in the future.

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