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Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Re: Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Post by jaza »

ripped_britches wrote: post #50
medhir wrote: post #47

genuinely curious what kind of demographic is leveraging Oracle for cloud products — all I’ve heard about them suggests long-term pain. this incident certainly doesn’t help inspire confidence in their offerings.

Multi cloud companies that want pricing leverage at the expense of simplicity (uber is a major customer of all 4 big clouds for example)

There are 4 big clouds? I had only ever heard of the big 3 mentioned until now (AWS, Azure, GCP). From a quick search, appears that the 4th is Alibaba Cloud.

Re: Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Post by alephnerd »

jaza wrote: post #51
ripped_britches wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multi cloud companies that want pricing leverage at the expense of simplicity (uber is a major customer of all 4 big clouds for example)

There are 4 big clouds? I had only ever heard of the big 3 mentioned until now (AWS, Azure, GCP). From a quick search, appears that the 4th is Alibaba Cloud.

In the non-Chinese market, the 4th cloud is Oracle Cloud (OCI).

But yea, there is AWS, GCP, Azure, and OCI outside China and Alibaba, Huawei, and Tencent within China.

Re: Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Post by tbrownaw »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #40
ie21 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They make a great database?

Another curious question: what use case can only be served by an Oracle DB?

Anything that was previously built on Oracle and would be too much of a pain to try to migrate to something else.

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Post by fulafel »

ie21 wrote: post #38
toomuchtodo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you still on Oracle? (genuine question, no snark)

They make a great database?

It's possible it has redeeming features but seems more common to be just legacy. Multiple apps accessing the same DB leading to a gridlock from migration POV. (Plus career oracle DBAs etc in the org).

As Oracle is so expensive it skews the architecture decisions towards multiple apps accessing the same DB.

Re: Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Post by jeltz »

ie21 wrote: post #38
toomuchtodo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you still on Oracle? (genuine question, no snark)

They make a great database?

From my anecdotal experience: no. It is arcane, user hostile and buggy. And performance for many workloads is roughly in line with open source databases.

Some of the tooling around it is nice and it has some nice features but I would not recommend it even if it was free.

Edit: unless the great database is MySQL, they are actually decent stewards of it and while I still strongly prefer PostgreSQL MySQL is pretty good these days.

Re: Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Post by plantain »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #29
fock wrote: post #16

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we pay millions to Oracle. We hit a bug and it took 6months for them to reproduce and acknowledge there is a bug. they now seem to be on the lookout for someone being able to produce a fix: sales and indian after-sales can't do that... curious! Oracle seems just a moneygrabbing shell company at this point and I suppose the whole hyperscaler-cloud is developing towards that point with the leaders of those corporations…

Why are you still on Oracle? (genuine question, no snark)

Because Oracle gives their manager premium baseball tickets on the regular.

Re: Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Post by toyg »

internet101010 wrote: post #44
toomuchtodo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another curious question: what use case can only be served by an Oracle DB?

The Oracle products built on top of them, such as EPM.

EPM products were originally built on SQLServer (or on nothing, like Essbase), and then adapted to run on Oracle. So it's more like "the products commercially forced to run on Oracle, like EPM".

Not that it matters that much - there are better EPM/CPM products now available, like OneStream ;)

Re: Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Post by waych »

nukem222 wrote: post #24
everfrustrated wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK, and I presume the EU also, the fines for losing customer data are set as a % of company annual worldwide turnover. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/law-enforcement/guide-t...

If a fine isn't an existential threat what's the point of it? Hoping next time they'll care more? tf? the EU needs to tack another 0 to these percentages if they want to see movement.

If the fines were existential threats, who would even want to do business in these countries?

Re: Oracle customers confirm data stolen in alleged cloud breach is valid

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Post by inemesitaffia »

medhir wrote: post #47

genuinely curious what kind of demographic is leveraging Oracle for cloud products — all I’ve heard about them suggests long-term pain. this incident certainly doesn’t help inspire confidence in their offerings.

They have free cloud and egress is cheaper.
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