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Post by ineedasername »

petre wrote: post #423
readthenotes1 wrote: post #407

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Goldberg is not a fan of Trump I did not believe there was any way this was done accidentally...

Hanlon's razor begs to differ. Trump sent his golf buddy Waltz to negotiate with Putin and he came back brainwashed with Russian propaganda. Russian psyops is either really good or some of these people in the administration are just morons.

Hanlon’s razor still has to account for why Goldberg was in Walt’z phone to begin with. If you’re going to butt dial or fat finger the editor of a publication into your super classified bombing plans I don’t think even Hanlon could reconcile it to random number dialing instead of just hitting the wrong contact.

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Post by regularjack »

remus wrote: post #947
lucb1e wrote: post #937

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> There’s a vulnerability in Signal where you can set up linked devices that replicate your signal messages. You mean the desktop linking feature? If that's considered a vulnerability, then so is being able to chat with someone after getting their public key unverified from an overseas server, the primary mode in which everyone uses it (including the people in this chat, evidently, since no out-of-band key exchange w…

If you're part of the US government, with access to the most sensitive information which will put people's lives at risk if compromised, then yes this is a vulnerability because "russian GRU agent nicks your phone and scans your signal QR code" is a real threat.

If you're part of the US government, you're not supposed to use signal to discuss this kind of stuff.

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Post by regularjack »

theoryofx wrote: post #411
anthomtb wrote: post #371

This hypocrisy reminds me of one of my former lead developers. He required everyone on the team to go through multi-person code reviews and pass an extensive CI suite before merging changes into our mainline. But him? Half that time he'd approve his own changes without review, the other half he would force-push and bypass the CI system entirely. He knew the system well and seemed to do enough local testing to avoid m…

He knew the system well and seemed to do enough local testing to avoid major breakage but still. Why have a bunch of rules and policies that you do not follow yourself? Because these rules and policies are for people that are judged to need them by the person with the authority and responsibility for making the decision. Policies like these always have a cost and (hopefully) a benefit. Presumably this lead dev judged…

Rules are to be followed by everyone without exception, otherwise they should not be called rules.

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Post by vharuck »

chrisco255 wrote: post #835
adrr wrote: post #714

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Do you think they’ll get prosecuted? I am willing to bet money that congress won’t even have hearings on it.

None of what they said was actually classified, and if the conversation included the president and vice president, then they inherently decide what is and is not classified. The power of the executive branch is vested in the president.

The information they discussed is almost always classified. If somebody were to declassify it so that these discussions could take place on insecure devices at insecure locations, then it's gross incompetence. There's a reason this kind of information is classified.

This is like ripping the warning sticker off an oxygen tank and pretending that makes it safe to use while smoking.

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Post by mmmpetrichor »

bsenftner wrote: post #864
20after4 wrote: post #727

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It's so much worse than that already. If corruption was the only problem we face in the US then there might be some real hope to reverse course.

The corruption is caused by their short sightedness, a total lack of critical analysis capacity to see past the surface assessment of pretty much everything. The problem in the United States is that adults are no longer adults, we manufacture immature people with simplistic world views that seriously know no better, and they have the entire Republican Party hostage, a material percentage of the Democratic Party, and…

In the past, I think the two party system somewhat protected against this. The complete capture of the party by trump has removed the system's ability to guard against this. Most senior republicans from a generation ago would recoil at what is happening in their party today. but many of the ones around during the trump takeover were absolutely spineless during his first administration, and things are far worse now.

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Post by slater »

dang wrote: post #574
thunkingdeep wrote: post #382

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Remember: every comment on here is implicitly directed to dang, and every link is implicitly approved of by dang. This is really his website at this point. The rules are mainly just his tools for shaping the content of discussions and submissions to his liking. A decade ago it was different. I mean, he was still way overbearing and biased, but I don’t think it really had the same power-steering effect on the shapes o…

Oh you guys. If HN were to my liking, I promise you it would be an entirely different place. Suppressing my own like/dislike responses is where most of my energy goes when doing this job.

dang, we should maybe set aside ONE day where you're allowed to just let loose and blast us all with zero suppression on your end. April 1st ...? :D /s

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Post by nopelynopington »

nopelynopington wrote: post #404
yodsanklai wrote: post #388

And these guys have been in power for only a few months, they're still finding out about their new tools. What will happen in the next 4 years? will they even leave power peacefully?

Trump has already been president and already demonstrated to us that he will not leave power peacefully. He's openly discussing serving a third term. I think it's highly unlikely that the transfer of power will happen peacefully unless 1) he dies in office (of natural causes) Or 2) the republicans win in 2028 and a different republican president is sworn in.

Btw I specified natural causes because if he dies in any unusual way I'm sure his lackeys will try to use it to cling to power.

Hell even if he just chokes on a pretzel I'm sure they'll blame the radical left

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Post by aweiland »

Jtsummers wrote: post #200
e44858 wrote: post #180

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How was it verified?

It's been acknowledged by the government that this happened. They aren't denying anything, and are saying it was just a mistake. From WSJ: > House Speaker Mike Johnson (R., La.) dismissed questions about whether Waltz should face consequences for discussing the Yemen operation on an unclassified chat group that included a journalist. “Clearly I think the administration has acknowledged it was a mistake and they’ll ti…

SecDef and the White House were claiming it was made up. This is double speak from the Speaker.

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Post by aweiland »

Jtsummers wrote: post #120
ornornor wrote: post #119

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Pardon my ignorance but what’s the context of this picture? I don’t watch the news fwiw.

After he left office in 2021, it was found that Trump kept boxes and boxes of top secret files at his residence, including in the bathroom among other places. Somehow this is not an issue for the GOP.

In a bathroom that had a copy machine no less.
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