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Post by greenie_beans »

gadders wrote: post #823
Folcon wrote: post #717

I'm an external individual to the US, but I must admit that some of the sentiments being expressed here in this thread and elsewhere about the lack of accountability deeply concern me, it reminds me of many things I saw growing up and still see today in south asia. Independent of anything else, I do see the overton window shifting in the US, the most subtle of which are norms and expectations around acts of corruptio…

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if you don't think the current executive branch is corrupt......good luck in life!

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Post by greenie_beans »

Thlom wrote: post #824

Everyone crying about the opsec failure and not that these people were cheering murdering women and children in one of the world's poorest country.

JD vance saying that he was gonna pray for victory. aka pray for bombing / killing. disgraceful to what jesus taught.

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Post by user3939382 »

immibis wrote: post #848
user3939382 wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean this with all due respect. Anyone who talks about Democrats and Republicans like they’re on one of the teams has totally missed the political charade being orchestrated in DC. These parties do not represent you.

Both are bad. One is much, much worse than the other.

It’s one party with some internal factions struggling for power, none of which stand to offer anything to the American people. More wars, no term limits, no campaign finance reform, nothing to stop corporate capture. They talk about divisive social issues to keep everyone’s eyes off the money.

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Post by bleuarff »

Phelinofist wrote: post #794
blitzar wrote: post #787

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was confirmed (under oath) that there was no classified information shared, however, the contents of the messages could not be shared with the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as it is classified information.

English isn't my first language so I might've misunderstood what you wrote, but isn't that contradicting?

Yes it is, but it's my understanding that this is the actual testimony from Tulsi Gabbard, part of the conversation.

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Post by e40 »

jimt1234 wrote: post #736
Folcon wrote: post #717

I'm an external individual to the US, but I must admit that some of the sentiments being expressed here in this thread and elsewhere about the lack of accountability deeply concern me, it reminds me of many things I saw growing up and still see today in south asia. Independent of anything else, I do see the overton window shifting in the US, the most subtle of which are norms and expectations around acts of corruptio…

The ends justify the means is now openly accepted, even celebrated.

And conflicts of interest don’t exist.

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Post by watwut »

whiplash451 wrote: post #809
varius wrote: post #806

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Then send a message to the producer. The law requires for caps to be attached but doesn't describe how. I have a water bottle next to me that has a cap connected by one long piece after opening that doesn't touch my face at all when drinking. Sure, Europe has some red tape that should be removed but don't paint it as some kind of Kafka's universe because it's not that bad. I'm from east side of Iron Curtain and I rem…

Same answer as GDPR: when the majority/all of the companies implement it in a way that hurts everyone (businesses and end users alike), then the problem is with the regulator, not the regulated.

GDPR does not hurt me and majority of its implementations don't hurt me. That there is a ton of nonsensical propaganda against it from entrepreneurs can't just do what they want is another matter.

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Post by boppo1 »

Folcon wrote: post #717

I'm an external individual to the US, but I must admit that some of the sentiments being expressed here in this thread and elsewhere about the lack of accountability deeply concern me, it reminds me of many things I saw growing up and still see today in south asia. Independent of anything else, I do see the overton window shifting in the US, the most subtle of which are norms and expectations around acts of corruptio…

>when people no longer trust that what they make can be theirs, that others can look on in envy at the work they have built on their blood and sweat and can take it as their due because they have power.

We just need liberals to embrace the 2nd with as much fervor as the right.

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Post by ceejayoz »

dcow wrote: post #561
codewench wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

18 USC 793(f) seems to apply here: "Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing ... through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust ... and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imp…

Gabbard confirmed that no classified information was contained in the conversation.

"We are currently clean on OPSEC" is an odd thing to throw into the chat if it doesn't involve any secrets.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/03/26/us/trump-news

> “1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package),” Hegseth wrote in the chat. “1345: Trigger Based F-18 Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME—also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s).”

If I were a potential "target terrorist" and this chat had leaked before the strikes, I'd make damned sure I wasn't at my "known location" that day.

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Post by immibis »

user3939382 wrote: post #913
immibis wrote: post #848

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both are bad. One is much, much worse than the other.

It’s one party with some internal factions struggling for power, none of which stand to offer anything to the American people. More wars, no term limits, no campaign finance reform, nothing to stop corporate capture. They talk about divisive social issues to keep everyone’s eyes off the money.

Both are bad. One is much, much worse than the other.

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Post by boringg »

refurb wrote: post #791
boringg wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option (a) 100%. This is an abysmal mistake on the big stage for a bunch of new people on the job. That it is the intelligence community makes it feel so much worse.

“Abysmal” mistake seems excessive. Basically a journalist was added to a discussion group of high ranking politicians. This journalist is well known within those circles and has plenty of access to those people regardless. The conversation may have been war plans, but the action is pretty uncontroversial across both parties, and went off without a problem so the impact of the leak was nil. Seems like a great topic fo…

Fine, deeply embarrassing on an international front that your highest level intelligence agency can't do Op Sec securely.

I can't imagine having my personal secure commentary being put out into the public and I don't have national security under my belt.

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