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Cthulhu_ wrote: post #840
gspr wrote: post #836

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how this subthread devolved into arguing about Europe's attached bottlecap regulations and that the GDPR has resulted in lots of very annoying cookie banners. So in the US you have a corrupt, authoritarian takeover of a society – and in Europe you have well-meaning, but somewhat annoying, regulations that still need some work to function perfectly.

The cookie banners were never mandated by GDPR, that's entirely the industry's fault and intent - dark UX patterns to try and annoy the user into agreeing, or a silent protest to the perceived overbearing nature of the GDPR. They could've just respected a browser's do-not-track header but chose not to. The EU legislators should've done that too, that is, dictate a standardized method for people to opt in.

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Post by username332211 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #840
gspr wrote: post #836

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how this subthread devolved into arguing about Europe's attached bottlecap regulations and that the GDPR has resulted in lots of very annoying cookie banners. So in the US you have a corrupt, authoritarian takeover of a society – and in Europe you have well-meaning, but somewhat annoying, regulations that still need some work to function perfectly.

The cookie banners were never mandated by GDPR, that's entirely the industry's fault and intent - dark UX patterns to try and annoy the user into agreeing, or a silent protest to the perceived overbearing nature of the GDPR. They could've just respected a browser's do-not-track header but chose not to. The EU legislators should've done that too, that is, dictate a standardized method for people to opt in.

Could you explain why the state railway of the Federal Republic of Germany uses dark UX patterns to annoy the user into agreeing or silently protests the perceived overbearing nature of the GDPR?

Btw, I can dig up 3 dozen of other state institutions with cookie banners, if you so wish?

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by subjectsigma »

chasil wrote: post #547
joshuamerrill wrote: post #478

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Because I don't know whether either of those are appropriate. There aren't many comparable breaches to this one. The closest in modern times may be Hillary Clinton's email server being used for government business. In that case, the FBI investigated and declined to bring charges, under the expectation that a jury would be unlikely to render a guilty verdict. Okay, fine. But the FBI investigated and laid out the facts…

Assuming this to be true, this conversation is over. "The Biden administration installed the Signal messaging app on CIA computers and approved it for official government use." https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/03/25/has-the-staffer...

lol no, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by somenameforme »

inamorty wrote: post #811
somenameforme wrote: post #784

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The grass isn't always greener. I think the core underlying issue at all of this is social divides within countries. When groups of people become sufficiently antagonistic towards one another, it really enables widespread corruption because people will actively blind themselves (or handwave away) to the wrongs of "their side" and magnify the wrongs of "the other side" with no limits to the hyperbole. And Europe is mo…

But public perception doesn’t necessarily reflect actual levels of corruption. Having dodgy planning approved is not the same as buying a seat at the head of the government for a quarter billion dollars.

Corruption is always measured by perceptions. There are many reasons for this but when it comes to high level corruption it's especially clear - high level corruption, in most countries, is rarely pursued, let alone prosecuted. And efforts to do such may themselves be driven by corruption. And people's actions, as on all things, will be guided by their perceptions. And so things like corruption's influence on things like starting a business will be driven largely by perceptions.

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Post by bildung »

pembrook wrote: post #825
bildung wrote: post #815

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These just compare market cap. As the US economy is disproportionally financialized, that outcome is hardly surprising: This was just measuring market financialization by proxy. I mean two of the largest on the left, Google and Meta, are essentially just ad companies. Now compare companies by actual revenue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_in_E... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_…

Yes, Europe did have great entrepreneurial culture in the past, but the point of the “founded in the last 50 years” distinction is to measure how things have been going for entrepreneurs who are still alive today. You can’t call a region a “safe haven for entrepreneurs” if all the globally relevant entrepreneurs from that region are dead from old age. Remember, Europe has double the population of the US. To lag behin…

But if that is true, why does the EU actually has almost double the entrepreneurs per capita the US has, as I have linked?

> Having to move the goalposts to the 1850s to make a point about relevant European businesses should be alarming to you.

Please actually have a look at the EU list and click through to the companies. They are all directly linked in Wikipedia. The majority is from the 1980s and younger.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by parrellel »

Phelinofist wrote: post #794
blitzar wrote: post #787

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It was confirmed (under oath) that there was no classified information shared, however, the contents of the messages could not be shared with the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as it is classified information.

English isn't my first language so I might've misunderstood what you wrote, but isn't that contradicting?

Yes. Yes it is.

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Post by ModernMech »

fpoling wrote: post #783
Folcon wrote: post #737

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Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that this is purely a theoretical exercise for you, life under those conditions is chaotic and complex, at the bare minimum, it limits the complexity of the kind of business you can run. And that's ignoring other externalities.

Russian business is very complex. Just consider that due to sanctions many companies needed to quickly learn how to operate with cryptocurrencies, find new trade partners etc. Or like building companies switched to Russian military contracts to build factories for drone, ammunition etc. to make weapons to kill Ukrainians. If one has no moral compass, one can absolutely flourish as a businessman in Russia.

That's why Russian companies have such a global reputation for being sleazy. You have to be a sleaze in order to get anywhere. Fish rots from the head and all that, so we should expect American companies to get the same stink if things keep going this way here. Bad companies will wade into the muck, and good money will flow elsewhere more stable.

Scams and frauds are going to flourish under Trump because the guy himself is keen on running scams and frauds from the White House. Who is going to investigate crypto scams when POTUS is launching his own pump and dump shitcoin? It's going to be scams and frauds from the top all the way down.

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Post by simonh »

m000 wrote: post #837
simonh wrote: post #513

Steve Witkoff was on the chat while he was in Russia. There’s a vulnerability in Signal where you can set up linked devices that replicate your signal messages. You can do this by just scanning a QRcode. This is known to be used by Russian hackers. What are the chances the Russians duped Witkoff into scanning a QR code while he was in Moscow?

Right. So the problem is not that everyone in the chat was using an unsanctioned app to exchange classified information, but these insidious Ruskies who tricked Witkoff and hacked his personal Signal account.

That's the White House line, apparently they did nothing wrong. It's that Journalists's fault. It can't be the Russians though, they're trusted allies now.

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Post by nuorah89 »

pembrook wrote: post #825
bildung wrote: post #815

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These just compare market cap. As the US economy is disproportionally financialized, that outcome is hardly surprising: This was just measuring market financialization by proxy. I mean two of the largest on the left, Google and Meta, are essentially just ad companies. Now compare companies by actual revenue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_in_E... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_…

Yes, Europe did have great entrepreneurial culture in the past, but the point of the “founded in the last 50 years” distinction is to measure how things have been going for entrepreneurs who are still alive today. You can’t call a region a “safe haven for entrepreneurs” if all the globally relevant entrepreneurs from that region are dead from old age. Remember, Europe has double the population of the US. To lag behin…

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