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Post by reverius42 »

namaria wrote: post #93
Balgair wrote: post #77

If anything, I'm a bit surprised that Jeff Goldberg burned this source. If anything, I'd suspect that he'd keep the channel open as long as he could. Or, he's got other channels that work better. All the same, I mean, wow. These guys are just morons here, there's really no other way around it. I'm trying to think of a charitable way to spin this and I've got nothing. Like, very clearly, these people are going to get…

Knowingly keeping sensitive US national security data on a personal phone would be a very bad idea.

So, like the other 18 people in the chat?

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Post by fp64 »

jaredklewis wrote: post #735
fpoling wrote: post #733

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> because this is death to entrepreneurship This does not follow. Even in highly corrupt authoritarian countries entrepreneurship can flourish. Just consider Turkey or Russia. In such places one quickly learn whom to pay with corruption payouts becoming business expenses.

Does entrepreneurship flourish in Russia? This would surprise me just because its GDP is smaller than Italy's, and around 17% of it is oil and gas. CAGR for past 10 years in Russia is ~1.5% (compared with ~2.3% for the US). Just seems logical to me that if entrepreneurship was flourishing, we would see more economic growth as a result.

You can’t take the GDP in US$ for comparison, given the sanctions and all. PPP is a better means.

I do not know about entrepreneurship, but I do know that a Russian’s average purchase power is significantly higher than what you might expect from just looking at the GDP

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Post by fpoling »

jaredklewis wrote: post #735
fpoling wrote: post #733

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because this is death to entrepreneurship This does not follow. Even in highly corrupt authoritarian countries entrepreneurship can flourish. Just consider Turkey or Russia. In such places one quickly learn whom to pay with corruption payouts becoming business expenses.

Does entrepreneurship flourish in Russia? This would surprise me just because its GDP is smaller than Italy's, and around 17% of it is oil and gas. CAGR for past 10 years in Russia is ~1.5% (compared with ~2.3% for the US). Just seems logical to me that if entrepreneurship was flourishing, we would see more economic growth as a result.

Russia has been spending all gains in economy on military for the last 15 years. Ability of local businessmen to quickly find new trading partners in Asia is one of the primary reasons Russian economy did not collapsed under suctions and the war.

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Post by belter »

nobody9999 wrote: post #682
jimbokun wrote: post #656

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It’s Trump’s one true talent. He got the Supreme Court and the judiciary leaning his way in his first term. Congress is controlled by either his Republican primary candidates, or Republicans who are too afraid to cross him. Now he’s purging from the federal branch anyone who is not completely ideologically loyal to him. That is the true purpose of Doge.

How dare you! Donald Trump "is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Also known as the Golden Grovelers: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s8PdOgVMg48

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Post by namaria »

reverius42 wrote: post #771
namaria wrote: post #93

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Knowingly keeping sensitive US national security data on a personal phone would be a very bad idea.

So, like the other 18 people in the chat?

Yes. But we haven't heard from them what they did with it.

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Post by verisimi »

StackRanker3000 wrote: post #760
jimbokun wrote: post #656

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It’s Trump’s one true talent. He got the Supreme Court and the judiciary leaning his way in his first term. Congress is controlled by either his Republican primary candidates, or Republicans who are too afraid to cross him. Now he’s purging from the federal branch anyone who is not completely ideologically loyal to him. That is the true purpose of Doge.

I’m going to respectfully disagree with you there. Trump’s success as a politician is solely down to three factors. Firstly, he has an insatiable desire for attention, admiration, and generally benefitting himself. That’s what causes his drive. Secondly, he has no scruples or adheres to any morals or ethics whatsoever, he is completely ruthless. This allows him to do and say whatever serves him the most in any given…

Attention, lack of scruples and charisma, are prerequisites for ALL politicians. Obama, Reagan, Clinton were the same, no?

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Post by rafaelmn »

nitwit005 wrote: post #607
rafaelmn wrote: post #451

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I'm sorry but how in the hell is that a similar leak other than they are in the same category ? Not justifying Trump administration but just seems like a whole different level of stakes.

People could, obviously, die from leaking a military operation. You're right that more people would die in a larger operation, but I'd assume most of us are okay with firing or prosecuting people for risking lives for not following basic policies.

Yes, but one is involving hundred thousand lives on a land invasion by a military general, another is about long range bombing being less effective by warning the target hours in advanced by a civilian/politician.

The level of potential impact, expectations and repercussions are very very different between the two. He should absolutely get fired because you cant do that sort of thing at that position - but equating the two is disingenuous. The general should have been court-martialed in that situation.

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Post by refurb »

rat87 wrote: post #669
refurb wrote: post #653

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most people generally agreed with them but they also tried to pick people of talent and courage who might disagree on a number of issues. Trump doesn't care about any of that

It’s wild.

Trump beings people on, they are yes men.

Trump fires people, he doesn’t like people who disagree with him?

Which is it?

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Post by tehjoker »

petre wrote: post #415
bsimpson wrote: post #376

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This sounds less like a Signal problem than an information organization problem. Signal can only show what's in its datastore (your contact list). I just checked on Android - if you try to add someone to a group chat, it shows their name and profile pic. One potential Signal-side wrinkle is that it allows you to add people to a group chat who are in another chat you're in, but who aren't in your contacts list. There…

Then it's a good thing there's not an Abdul-Malik al-Houthi in the administration, as they might have included the wrong person on the private group chat.

They should add one then, because the operation described is illegal under international law and should not have been executed. They are punishing Yemen for resisting the US backed Israeli genocide in Gaza. It is ghastly.
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