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Post by fragmede »

davidw wrote: post #661
mandeepj wrote: post #583

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The problem is that most of those 18 people are just random folks picked on the premise of just one qualification: THey'd be Yes Man/Woman!! They aren't career professionals. I believe that explains the mess they've created and their incompetent approach to their duties. It's still not too late to impeach that entire shack of clowns.

These are the same folks who scrubbed the Navajo Code Talkers from the DoD web site for being "DEI" or some such.

we replaced them with DUI hires.

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Folcon wrote: post #717

I'm an external individual to the US, but I must admit that some of the sentiments being expressed here in this thread and elsewhere about the lack of accountability deeply concern me, it reminds me of many things I saw growing up and still see today in south asia. Independent of anything else, I do see the overton window shifting in the US, the most subtle of which are norms and expectations around acts of corruptio…

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Post by reverius42 »

adrr wrote: post #714
cjohnson318 wrote: post #665

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Why shouldn't punishment or prosecution be suggested. I've worked with classified information, and I would have been held accountable for my actions, why shouldn't they? I'm tired of this Too Important To Have Consequences business. It defeats the whole purpose of having qualifications, and security, and rules of any kind.

Do you think they’ll get prosecuted? I am willing to bet money that congress won’t even have hearings on it.

Congress is already having hearings (at the committee level): https://www.axios.com/2025/03/24/congress-yemen-signal-hegse...

But it's not clear that will progress to anything further.

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Post by MandieD »

fragmede wrote: post #741
davidw wrote: post #661

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These are the same folks who scrubbed the Navajo Code Talkers from the DoD web site for being "DEI" or some such.

we replaced them with DUI hires.

That is brilliant, and it’s heartbreaking that it’s brilliant.

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Post by vichle »

jjallen wrote: post #718
outside1234 wrote: post #674

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But have you considered that they are Billionaires and therefore can do whatever they want?

I don’t think everyone involved in this fiasco are billionaires.

They will be before this is over.

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Post by wernercd »

dyauspitr wrote: post #731
Folcon wrote: post #717

I'm an external individual to the US, but I must admit that some of the sentiments being expressed here in this thread and elsewhere about the lack of accountability deeply concern me, it reminds me of many things I saw growing up and still see today in south asia. Independent of anything else, I do see the overton window shifting in the US, the most subtle of which are norms and expectations around acts of corruptio…

Yes, unfortunately we’re already at that point. Republicans and their base close ranks so effectively that it’s essentially a safe haven for all sorts of corruption and serious crime. The voters won’t punish them at the ballot and they’ve essentially captured all sources of checks and balances.

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Post by asteroidburger »

adrr wrote: post #714
cjohnson318 wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn't punishment or prosecution be suggested. I've worked with classified information, and I would have been held accountable for my actions, why shouldn't they? I'm tired of this Too Important To Have Consequences business. It defeats the whole purpose of having qualifications, and security, and rules of any kind.

Do you think they’ll get prosecuted? I am willing to bet money that congress won’t even have hearings on it.

The Senate Intelligence Committee already held a hearing today: https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339484/signal-war-plan...

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Post by fragmede »

MandieD wrote: post #744
fragmede wrote: post #741

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we replaced them with DUI hires.

That is brilliant, and it’s heartbreaking that it’s brilliant.

I can't take credit for it, I think it traces back to Lauren Tucker's substack, but someone certainly did before that. Then again, someone else popularized it given recent events.

https://dowhatmatters.medium.com/dei-to-dui-cronyism-undermi...

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Post by wernercd »

rcpt wrote: post #672
cjohnson318 wrote: post #665

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Why shouldn't punishment or prosecution be suggested. I've worked with classified information, and I would have been held accountable for my actions, why shouldn't they? I'm tired of this Too Important To Have Consequences business. It defeats the whole purpose of having qualifications, and security, and rules of any kind.

Anything less than criminal prosecution would be an abomination of justice.

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Post by yieldcrv »

garfield_light wrote: post #588
nopelynopington wrote: post #404

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Trump has already been president and already demonstrated to us that he will not leave power peacefully. He's openly discussing serving a third term. I think it's highly unlikely that the transfer of power will happen peacefully unless 1) he dies in office (of natural causes) Or 2) the republicans win in 2028 and a different republican president is sworn in.

The real test will be the midterms.

is it though? the senate has been ~50-50 for a decade straight and every 2 years this same algorithm fueled coping mechanism resurfaces for some partisan recovery (newsflash - the other side believes the same thing, no matter which side you're reading this from), and there is zero - and diminishing - data to lean upon for anything different to happen except every demographic in this country drifting right for a 53 seat majority.

no party is going to pass the filibuster, so it doesn't even matter what happens in the house, we're still going to be getting budget reconciliations, and post offices renamed as the only things passed.

partisan areas aren't going to flip. the only 'solution' anyone will come up with is another runner-up from the same party.

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