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Scientists break down plastic using a simple, inexpensive catalyst and air

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Re: Scientists break down plastic using a simple, inexpensive catalyst and air

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Well, they used a "simple, inexpensive catalyst" and then HEATED the plastic/catalyst mysture. Nowhere in the article it gives you an estimate of the final cost of the process.

Keep seeing these "possible breakthroughs" in breaking down plastic waste, but no concrete time frames on expanding to scale nor real world costs. Meanwhile, the mountains of plastic continues.

Finding it also odd that biodegradable plastics and safer alternatives are going quiet. As if the new scheme is to keep fossil fuel companies rolling, with the promise that one day a solution to get rid of incalculable mountains of plastic will be found. Don't worry, feel free to plastic pollute, because one day there will be a solution.

Re: Scientists break down plastic using a simple, inexpensive catalyst and air

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or that they just shed microplastics during their lifetime. Car tires and clothing being a huge source. It would be cheaper to just ban stuff like polyester fleece than to try to clean it up after.

Or we could price cleanup and recycling of the constituent materials into the purchase price by requiring manufacturers to pay to recycle all the items they manufacture. This approach closes the loop in a way which encourages manufacturers to re-engineer their products to be less expensive to recycle.

Cleanup is impossible though. How are you going to clean up a trillion nanoplastic dust particles? What is the effective difference between phasing out fleece clothing vs charging $100M for a jacket?

Re: Scientists break down plastic using a simple, inexpensive catalyst and air

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there is also the possibility to recycle pet-bottles into food grade bottles again using just mechanical means, I know at least two European companies who provide such machines

I've seen 100% recycled PET bottles for Coca-Cola products in the US https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/19/food/coca-cola-new-bottles/in... and Pepsi is selling 100% post-consumer bottles in some EU countries https://www.pepsico.com/our-stories/press-release/pepsico-co... Those clear beverage containers are an ideal case for mechanical recycling. This company https://repreve.com/ makes polyester fiber from recycled PET. I h…

But fabrics are the best way of putting super hard to track microplastics in water and in the air. We drink them and inhale them

Re: Scientists break down plastic using a simple, inexpensive catalyst and air

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or we could price cleanup and recycling of the constituent materials into the purchase price by requiring manufacturers to pay to recycle all the items they manufacture. This approach closes the loop in a way which encourages manufacturers to re-engineer their products to be less expensive to recycle.

Cleanup is impossible though. How are you going to clean up a trillion nanoplastic dust particles? What is the effective difference between phasing out fleece clothing vs charging $100M for a jacket?

One includes freedom and creates an economic incentive for the development of environmental rehabilitation, recycling, and carbon negative technologies.

If some celebrity wants to single-handedly fund the development of a microplastics recovery technology as part of a red carpet fashion item, I'm OK with that.

Re: Scientists break down plastic using a simple, inexpensive catalyst and air

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This is great but PET (symbol #1) is one of the few plastics that ARE recyclable. I wonder if any of these techniques can be used to solve the non-recyclable plastic problems

Aduro’s tech works with hard to recycle, dirty, mixed plastic. Search for Eric Appelman interview on YouTube for more info. Some of the retail investor coverage is cringeworthy, but my take is the tech is likely as good as described (disclosure: I’m an investor).

Re: Scientists break down plastic using a simple, inexpensive catalyst and air

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Well, they used a "simple, inexpensive catalyst" and then HEATED the plastic/catalyst mysture. Nowhere in the article it gives you an estimate of the final cost of the process.

The journal article is open access. https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2025/gc/d4gc0... > Catalytic amounts of AC/MoO2 selectively convert waste PET into its monomer, terephthalic acid (TPA), within 4 h at 265 °C with yields as high as 94% under 1 atm air. I'm not a chemist so don't know if you can find a way to calculate the cost, but the authors claim that it's cheaper than current methods. The bigger d…

The authors' claim is that it is cheaper than other catalytic methods that have been explored/invented to depolymerize PET into TPA monomers. These qualitative cost estimates are based on the reaction conditions (temperature, solvent, other reactants (in this case, humid air)) and the unit operations involved in the downstream separation processes that isolate the TPA product from unreacted PET. The largest hurdle that precludes widespread deployment of technologies for PET recycling, as well as those for most other plastics, occurs (way) upstream of the reaction and separation train. The highest cost is related to collecting and sorting used PET bottles and TPA-derived textiles.

Mechanical recycling or any flavor of chemical recycling (pyrolysis, hydrolysis, etc.) all suffer from the same hurdle. If the target product of the recycling process is a TPA-derived plastic (be it for clothing or soda bottles), then mechanical recycling is usually cheaper, since it produces a product that only needs to be reshaped and remolded to give shirts or jugs. Chemical recycling converts PET into its constitutive monomers, and to (re)produce a TPA-derived plastic from the monomers requires a not inexpensive (re)polymerization step, in addition to reshaping and remolding.

Chemists, even highly regarded ones like Tobin Marks, are less interested in "solving" the PET recycling issue and more interested in the fundamental chemistry involved in chemical recycling. Issues of Green Chemistry (or blurbs in phys.org) are not the appropriate reading materials to get insight into costs, scale-up, etc.. Very few, if any, academic journals are focused on such matters, and rightly so, in my opinion.

Re: Scientists break down plastic using a simple, inexpensive catalyst and air

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Why don't we throw all our trash into a volcano?

It's expensive to get the trucks there. Some toxic landfills like Florida don't even have any volcanoes: https://osm4wiki.toolforge.org/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki-osm.pl?proj...
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