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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by tredre3 »

torginus wrote: post #534

>my GE Amana dishwasher, it started having weird power issues, like the controls would just not light up unless I reset the circuit breaker for a few minutes And they say EVs will outlast regular cars. On every piece of my home equipment, electronics failed before they developed mechanical issues. Power electronics, especially capacitors, and high power switching elements don't have a great track record of reliabilit…

> And they say EVs will outlast regular cars.

Regular/ICE cars are fully dependant on electronics too. When a board fails, the car stops working. There's really no difference.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by noboostforyou »

I literally went through this exact situation a couple months ago with a similar Bosch. I refused to get the new models that require the app to do simple things like half load or delay cycle that are physical buttons on my old one. I will actively avoid products like this.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by fransje26 »

DavideNL wrote: post #566
fransje26 wrote: post #450

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I will high-jack this top-rated comment to link to a comment further below. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43469297 This comment has a link to [0], explaining, in plain text: However, perhaps inline with the German attitudes towards privacy, the BSH "HomeConnect" appliances have a no-cloud mode built into their app without any hacks required to disconnect them from the internet. They do require a one-time conne…

...how long is "long-live" ? We've all been there. It works, until the shareholders decide differently, and you can no longer use your dishwasher without connecting / agreeing to the terms.

The shareholder of Bosch is, with 94% of the shares, the Robert Bosch Foundation. Look it up to see what they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung

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Post by colechristensen »

gambiting wrote: post #420
colechristensen wrote: post #336

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The only thing I have ever heard about Bosch major appliances is that people hate them.

I don't know where you've heard this. As a European when I hear Bosch I think reliability and quality. I'd much rather buy a Bosch dishwasher/washing machine over any other brand, wifi or no wifi.

I love my Volkswagen which has plenty of Bosch parts in it.

I don't hear about Americans with Bosch appliances very often, but every time I've heard (I suppose until today) it was a very negative review. Maybe the American versions are different, or perhaps I've just run across a few dissatisfied people randomly.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by saaaaaam »

technothrasher wrote: post #217
saaaaaam wrote: post #57

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Do people who wear an Apple Watch think they are cool? I think that is maybe in the eye of the beholder, but if it makes you feel like a cool idiot that’s nice, but I don’t know anyone who got an Apple watch because it’s cool. If you want to be cool you’d have a proper watch that every single other person doesn’t have… For example I got mine because it has a sim in it which means I can leave my phone at home and walk…

> If you want to be cool you’d have a proper watch that every single other person doesn’t have That would be me. I like my mechanical watches. But it doesn't make me any more or less cool than majority of people around me with Apple Watches on. Nobody really notices or gives a crap.

Indeed. The whole "being cool from the devices you wear/carry" is very much about how it makes you feel, rather than any perception other people might have.

If I see someone wearing a Rolex I'm more likely to think "that's reckless" than "that's cool". And if I see someone wearing an Apple Watch - or any other gadget - I think "oh, an Apple Watch" and nothing else, or, at most, I think "I wonder what that gadget is, it's not something I've seen before".

I was once at a conference and there was a (notoriously 'flash' but very boring) guy literally juggling his Punkt phone, clearly desperate for someone to ask him what it was, so that he could tell them how much of a hipster he was.

No-one asked. After about 20 minutes of juggling it he quietly put it back in his bag and took his iPhone out of his pocket.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by Avamander »

beardyw wrote: post #36
Avamander wrote: post #9

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Unfortunately unavoidable unless you take the cheapest model and miss out on a lot of features you might otherwise like.

> miss out on a lot of features you might otherwise like. More like ... will never actually need.

Well, it's a matter of debate what is actually "needed." I personally like notifications if it runs out of detergent or someone less savy has loaded the machine and I can choose the correct settings away from home.

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Post by Avamander »

ianburrell wrote: post #35
Avamander wrote: post #8

And all this stuff could work directly locally, it'd even make alternatives possible and it'd be an immensely better experience. It would eliminate the latency it takes for the requests to reach halfway across the world and back. It would also eliminate a lot of the privacy and security concerns. What makes it worse is that these cloud connections also tend to be insecure and unreliable or both. I've seen multiple ve…

I'm hoping that the Matter protocol will help with local home automation. It is designed to work on the local network using IPv6 networking, with gateway between Wifi and Thread. The downside is that it is complicated from everybody involved in design. The goal is that device companies will want to get rid of cost of developing cloud software, and effectively outsource it to Apple, Google, etc.

Apple's tempo so far has been abysmal, so I wouldn't hold my breath. We can hope though.

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Post by samspot »

dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

I bought a Bosch dishwasher about a year ago and didn't experience any of this. Maybe it depends on the model?

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Post by valiant55 »

fransje26 wrote: post #447
geerlingguy wrote: post #78

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I'd love to take a stance like that, but the reality is I've already sunk about 6 hours total into the whole operation, and I have quite limited time for my home maintenance + improvement projects as it is (my bench currently has a new faucet set to fix the leaky bathroom faucet, as well as an exhaust fan to fix the broken one in our bathroom... and those are just the things that are currently broken , not the dozen…

> the reality is I've already sunk about 6 hours total into the whole operation That's a bit of a sunken-cost fallacy. Here is a device that is going to be used every day for the coming 5 to 10 years, with a least 3 useful functions that cannot be accessed, and it's going to annoy you every time you use it. Some devices simply have to work without friction, and that is worth spending home maintenance time on (and our…

Jeff has 5 kids (mentioned in the video). I'm surprised he had 6 hours to fluff around with a dishwasher in the first place. I have 2 and certainly am careful about how I spend any free time I manage to find.

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Post by quacked »

tzs wrote: post #474
schobi wrote: post #338

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Wouldn't it be great if a universal standard existed for devices sending their diagnosis via audio? If there is a microcontroller and a beeper in there anyway, at only the extra cost of internal memory? Instead of a modem-type modulation and a speaker, make use of the bare minimum piezo beepers and send something that is universally understood? All of that without FCC, no extra hardware cost, no backchannel und thus…

That reminds me of another thing I wish was a universal standard for major appliances. I’d like to see them all have a USB port. If you plug in a thumb drive the appliance should create a directory named with the appliance manufacturer and model and serial number. In that directory it should place a copy of its manual and other documents that normally come with it.

That's a very good idea. I'd love it if cars had this.
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