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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by Svip »

szszrk wrote: post #355
Svip wrote: post #326

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These days, Bosch is wholly owned by Siemens. And their appliances are basically the same. Except Bosch is now their experimental branch, where they try out ideas for products. Only those that are successful become Siemens products. So uhm, just buy a Siemens dishwasher, it's unlikely to have an app requirement.

That's completely the other way around and soothsaying :) BSH is a separate entity created 60 years ago by both companies but now fully owned by Bosch. Bosch and Siemens had a joint venture since like 1960's. Around a decade ago Siemens sold out their BSH part of the company to Bosch completely and Bosch still makes some equipment under that brand. Yet still Siemens exist and is completely independent company. Such j…

I have clearly been misinformed then. Though it kind of made sense to me on the surface, because it was hard to fathom why Bosch would tarnish its reputation with such anti-consumer products, whilst leaving the Siemens brand with the less hostile variants.

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Post by xnzakg »

tzs wrote: post #474
schobi wrote: post #338

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Wouldn't it be great if a universal standard existed for devices sending their diagnosis via audio? If there is a microcontroller and a beeper in there anyway, at only the extra cost of internal memory? Instead of a modem-type modulation and a speaker, make use of the bare minimum piezo beepers and send something that is universally understood? All of that without FCC, no extra hardware cost, no backchannel und thus…

That reminds me of another thing I wish was a universal standard for major appliances. I’d like to see them all have a USB port. If you plug in a thumb drive the appliance should create a directory named with the appliance manufacturer and model and serial number. In that directory it should place a copy of its manual and other documents that normally come with it.

...or just have device side usb port that shows up as a mass storage device?

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

btbuildem wrote: post #551
odysseus wrote: post #50

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Where can you find these service/warranty reports?

It's been a while, so these may be out of date: - https://blog.puls.com/top-appliance-brands-2020-guide - https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/4039866/National%20Appliance%... - https://blog.yaleappliance.com/is-consumer-reports-accurate-... Also: please do your own homework, you should be able to find all this once pointed in the right direction.

That first link lists Bosch as the #1 recommended dishwasher by technicians, haha.

Thanks for the links though.

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dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

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Post by DavideNL »

fransje26 wrote: post #450
dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

I will high-jack this top-rated comment to link to a comment further below. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43469297 This comment has a link to [0], explaining, in plain text: However, perhaps inline with the German attitudes towards privacy, the BSH "HomeConnect" appliances have a no-cloud mode built into their app without any hacks required to disconnect them from the internet. They do require a one-time conne…

...how long is "long-live" ?

We've all been there. It works, until the shareholders decide differently, and you can no longer use your dishwasher without connecting / agreeing to the terms.

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Post by lsaferite »

nkurz wrote: post #543
jer0me wrote: post #264

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I'm curious—what are the philosophical reasons for not having a password on your network?

It's a mixture of things, some philosophical and some practical. I live in a very rural area with poor cell phone coverage. I'm happy to provide a WiFi signal for the lost people who are in front of my house trying to figure out why their GPS has led them here. We get a few each year, because Google Maps shows the road past my house going through while in reality it's closed in winter. I also like it that I don't nee…

You could always run two wifi network SSIDs (depending on your gear I guess). Then you have the ability to have open wifi for guests, but also keep your other devices on a segregated network as an extra layer in your personal security profile.

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Post by ddoolin »

e40 wrote: post #544
dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

Was all set to purchase a Bosch and the local shopsaid their quality has plummeted in recent years, recommend a Meile for the same price. Was told they get far fewer repair requests with this brand.

If you can afford it, Miele is definitely the way to go. The premium is quite high but IME you're buying the product, not just the brand.

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Post by eestrada »

Not a dishwasher story, but related. We bought a whirlpool washer and dryer set and hated them. The set was one of the few name brand models without WiFi "features" added on. But they were still terrible.

The one highlight is that we learned about the brand Speed Queen from the sales person at Lowe's. She talked them up as being the best, but they aren't sold at any big box store. Speed Queen is only sold through mom and pop shops.

When we dug in and did some research, we found that Speed Queen has the best consumer ratings by a wide margin.

They still produce a fixed drum model for the washer, like the type that whirlpool and maytag used to make decades ago. We put up with the whirlpool for a couple of years, but when we moved we got rid of them and bought a fixed drum style Speed Queen (look for the models marketed as "classic clean"). Best consumer appliance I've ever owned. I expect it to last at least another 20 years.

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