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How the Curiosity Rover's Nuclear Battery Works

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Re: How the Curiosity Rover's Nuclear Battery Works

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That's a good point... while in theory is probably could drive at night, it probably isn't a good idea to have a rover on a different planet driving around in the dark.

Is radio communication with the rover even possible at night? We only have line of sight to mars during the martian daytime.

Our line of sight to Mars is independent from Mars seeing the sun.

Re: How the Curiosity Rover's Nuclear Battery Works

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This concept was also used in russian lighthouses because it would be cold enough in siberia to create the delta difference needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_gen...

Some interesting info about safety on this one: http://bellona.no/bellona.org/english_import_area/internatio... (from Wikipedia citation)

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Thanks.

I looked into that a while ago (and a similar one), and it looks like any power produced from the TEC is considered a bonus, and is in the range of 1-5W, probably only enough to charge a phone, etc.

I'm looking to produce a sustained 150W + to charge deep cycle batteries.

Re: How the Curiosity Rover's Nuclear Battery Works

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Is radio communication with the rover even possible at night? We only have line of sight to mars during the martian daytime.

Our line of sight to Mars is independent from Mars seeing the sun.

Not really. If the rover is on the side of Mars facing away from the Sun, it's almost always facing away from the Earth, too, since the Earth is deeper inside the solar system.

Facing the Earth and facing the sun are highly correlated. Seeing one xor the other is possible, but unusual.

Re: How the Curiosity Rover's Nuclear Battery Works

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Isn't there also an issue of impulse though? There must be an acceleration dip compared to earth since I'm basically pushing a mini cooper on earth but only a bicycle on mars. Note: I'm a scientist so I'm embarrassingly bad at physics.

It would be easier to lift the rover perhaps, but F=ma, so since the mass of the rover hasn't changed, neither has the acceleration you can develop for a given force applied.

Isn't the friction dependent upon the normal force which on Mars would be less. Therefore, shouldn't the force required to overcome that also be less?

Re: How the Curiosity Rover's Nuclear Battery Works

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What are the safety implications of launching 10 pounds of plutonium-238 on a rocket that could malfunction or explode before gaining escape velocity? The article says the plutonium would not explode, but what about plutonium particles or radiation entering the atmosphere and ocean?

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What are the safety implications of launching 10 pounds of plutonium-238 on a rocket that could malfunction or explode before gaining escape velocity? The article says the plutonium would not explode, but what about plutonium particles or radiation entering the atmosphere and ocean?

Somehow I stumbled on the exact PDF you want to see: http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/604332main_APP%20MSL%20Launch%20Nucl...

Re: How the Curiosity Rover's Nuclear Battery Works

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This concept was also used in russian lighthouses because it would be cold enough in siberia to create the delta difference needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_gen...

Some interesting info about safety on this one: http://bellona.no/bellona.org/english_import_area/internatio... (from Wikipedia citation)

I'd disagree with the article and say the biggest threat of the RTG's is not being used by terrorists because a dirty bomb isn't all that effective with that amount of material, however, a bystander digging into one and having fun with the material could be a serious problem. Like the Goinia Incident [0].

Then again. It's kind of a funny thing to worry about with all the unexploded ordinance that's around most countries, even the U.S. I was just out sailing in the long island sound last week and my girlfriend thought it extremely odd how many unexploded bombs pockmark the navigation charts.

0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident

Re: How the Curiosity Rover's Nuclear Battery Works

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Many people here in the far north have extensive solar setups and live completely off-grid. Unfortunately in winter, we only get ~4 hours of sunlight, and it's a pain to sweep snow off the panels every day at ~ -30C to -40C We don't get much wind, and rivers are only liquid for ~4-5 months, so wind and hydro are not popular. I've been investigating commercial thermoelectric couplings as a source in the winter. Everyo…

My understanding of the problem is that nuclear sources tend to be nasty stuff and not the sort of thing that one really wants lay people responsible for discarding.
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