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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by bandrami »

I live in an apartment building whose walls don't really attenuate RF at all. And like most of the building I have a Samsung "smart" TV. So most evenings I get three or four screencast requests from neighbors' phones that I have to deny. That's annoying enough but it also stops whatever I'm watching in the process.

The manual didn't include instructions for turning off Bluetooth, and when I called Samsung they said you in fact can't turn it off. I could simply pull the antenna, I guess, but it seems to be integrated with the WiFi so then I couldn't watch any streaming.

I ended up changing the BT device name to "STOP USING THIS ONE" but apparently nobody reads it because I still get the connection requests daily.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by acheron »

Avamander wrote: post #9
pavel_lishin wrote: post #5

I suppose this means that in the future, when I shop for a home appliance, I'll have to download their manual first and scan for things like this.

Unfortunately unavoidable unless you take the cheapest model and miss out on a lot of features you might otherwise like.

I just got a Miele dishwasher recently, not cheap whatsoever, and there's no wifi or app or anything at all.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by dewey »

bandrami wrote: post #261

I live in an apartment building whose walls don't really attenuate RF at all. And like most of the building I have a Samsung "smart" TV. So most evenings I get three or four screencast requests from neighbors' phones that I have to deny. That's annoying enough but it also stops whatever I'm watching in the process. The manual didn't include instructions for turning off Bluetooth, and when I called Samsung they said y…

I’d probably just turn off Bluetooth / WiFi and get a setup box like Apple TV, Roku etc. which usually is much nicer than the TV OS anyway. The only time I’m interacting with my TVs UI is when I’m switching input channels.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by jer0me »

nkurz wrote: post #182

I recently bought and installed the same dishwasher. I also don't like the app requirement to access some features. But contrary to some of the other comments, I feel the need point out that it's still a fully functional dishwasher even if you never connect it to Wifi. You will miss out on a few "advanced" features, but it washes dishes really well. I read the manual before I bought it, and I got the performance I ex…

I'm curious—what are the philosophical reasons for not having a password on your network?

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by exabrial »

exabrial wrote: post #240
tzs wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had sort of the opposite situation. I needed a new washer and all the top rated ones according to Consumer Reports included WiFi. I asked at Home Depot if the one I was thinking of getting, an LG WM3400CW, required me to actually use the WiFi and they said no. I used it for a few weeks without ever even trying to set up WiFi and everything was fine. Then I found at that when you set up an LG washer for WiFi you can…

Literally none of that requires cloud access though to accomplish that task.

And apologies, my frustration isn't directed at you

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by vanc_cefepime »

dewey wrote: post #263
bandrami wrote: post #261

I live in an apartment building whose walls don't really attenuate RF at all. And like most of the building I have a Samsung "smart" TV. So most evenings I get three or four screencast requests from neighbors' phones that I have to deny. That's annoying enough but it also stops whatever I'm watching in the process. The manual didn't include instructions for turning off Bluetooth, and when I called Samsung they said y…

I’d probably just turn off Bluetooth / WiFi and get a setup box like Apple TV, Roku etc. which usually is much nicer than the TV OS anyway. The only time I’m interacting with my TVs UI is when I’m switching input channels.

Ditto. AppleTV or Nvidia Shield (with custom launcher). Personally, I'm now in with AppleTV. I had two Shields and hated when they pushed an update a few years ago to stock android that pushed ads (to services I didn't subscribe to) and that was it for me. There werent as many custom launchers as there are nowadays, but still, went to AppleTv and have been happy. That said, I'd stay clear with Roku with their latest shenanigans as they continue to test their customer's limits with ads now on their home screen [1]. Granted this is on their TV sets, I would still stay clear of their dedicated set-top boxes as it's only a matter of time when they push their limits there too [2].

[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/03/roku-says-unpopular-...>

[2] https://wiki.rossmanngroup.com/wiki/Roku,_Inc.>

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by cocoto »

bandrami wrote: post #261

I live in an apartment building whose walls don't really attenuate RF at all. And like most of the building I have a Samsung "smart" TV. So most evenings I get three or four screencast requests from neighbors' phones that I have to deny. That's annoying enough but it also stops whatever I'm watching in the process. The manual didn't include instructions for turning off Bluetooth, and when I called Samsung they said y…

Simply rename the device “malware” at this point.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by bee_rider »

sureIy wrote: post #241
tzs wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had sort of the opposite situation. I needed a new washer and all the top rated ones according to Consumer Reports included WiFi. I asked at Home Depot if the one I was thinking of getting, an LG WM3400CW, required me to actually use the WiFi and they said no. I used it for a few weeks without ever even trying to set up WiFi and everything was fine. Then I found at that when you set up an LG washer for WiFi you can…

This sounds like great use of technology if you ask me. The only thing I'd complain about is that data would not be E2E encrypted :)

Seems like it’d be a good application for Bluetooth.

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Post by rblatz »

monksy wrote: post #245
sillysaurusx wrote: post #205

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I mean, is Bosch the bad guy here or the salesperson? It sounds like they either lied or were incompetent. I guess maybe both are bad. Yesterday I tried to configure a friend’s wifi router after the speed was suspiciously slow. It forced me to ask them for their Spectrum login info (the same info they use to pay the bills, not the wifi info) which nobody remembered and I gave up. Apparently this is required according…

Mesh routers are requiring an app to configure them now. TPLink and Ubiquiti is a big violator of this. (Ubiquiti you can run a docker container as a controller... but still..)

Ubiquiti is software defined networking, so it needs software to configure it.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by oaththrowaway »

cmcaleer wrote: post #214
dredmorbius wrote: post #123

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Has anyone else looking at this looked into the prosumer / commercial space? I suspect that market will have a lot less tolerant for digital bullshit.

This was the approach I took when purchasing a TV. Getting a TV without a microphone and Wi-Fi connectivity is borderline impossible... in the consumer segment. My living room is now furnished with a digital signage monitor and a soundbar. The price was a touch more than a normal TV of a similar size, and there was not much variety (I had to give up on OLED at the size I wanted for example), but I just have such a ha…

What TV? I ended up getting a cheap Sceptre since it didn't have any smart nonsense. Not the greatest picture in the world but that's okay
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