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#181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could have swore that was Dick Cheney.

There were many people on the rowing team, but as someone who lived through it, Goldberg was one of its most vigorous members. One expects that there is a special place in hell for all of them.

And yet here you are saying we shouldn't listen to a story about people being bombed based on political calculus.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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post #182

How can we know this group chat was really comprised of government officials and not some bored teenagers? Signal allows you to set your profile name to anything you like.

Have you read the article? The author mentions this exact concern.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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post #182

How can we know this group chat was really comprised of government officials and not some bored teenagers? Signal allows you to set your profile name to anything you like.

From the article:

> Brian Hughes, the spokesman for the National Security Council, responded two hours later, confirming the veracity of the Signal group. “This appears to be an authentic message chain, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain,”

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

#186

The whole thread is WILD, and the fact that it was verified is crazy. But the actual text of the thread is horrifying: On one hand, they say they complain about "bailing out Europe". But on the other hand, they explicitly moved up the timeline so they could move before other actors and take credit. > "If the US successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost there needs to be some further economic gain extr…

The wilder thing is people are surprised this is happening.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

#187

Is it wild that a 3rd party app like Signal is used for this type of communication? I feel like that's crazy.

No worries. DNI was in the chat room. Also we have no idea nor can we know if this is the first use of Signal by this or other administrations. We only know because someone goofed up.

So, let me say the quiet part aloud, the presence of DNI & NSC heavies indicates to me that Signal is possibly not really a "3rd party".

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were many people on the rowing team, but as someone who lived through it, Goldberg was one of its most vigorous members. One expects that there is a special place in hell for all of them.

And yet here you are saying we shouldn't listen to a story about people being bombed based on political calculus.

That is what you are imagining I am saying, but it is not what I said. I think everyone who lied us into the Iraq mess should have been civically un-personed decades ago. They should be limited to unclean jobs, and be required to walk a few steps behind their un-tainted betters. Yet as the Osho once said, "the people are retarded," so the architects of that catastrophe still hold prestigious positions. I will not waste an opportunity to remind people of what they did. The children do not understand how badly their futures have been diminished by this shedding of innocent blood.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

#189
post #77

If anything, I'm a bit surprised that Jeff Goldberg burned this source. If anything, I'd suspect that he'd keep the channel open as long as he could. Or, he's got other channels that work better. All the same, I mean, wow. These guys are just morons here, there's really no other way around it. I'm trying to think of a charitable way to spin this and I've got nothing. Like, very clearly, these people are going to get…

Imagine if he stays and obtains some critical information that later happens to get leaked. You're now a prime suspect for the leak, possibly facing charges of something like treason. I think leaving was the wise choice.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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post #180

The whole thread is WILD, and the fact that it was verified is crazy. But the actual text of the thread is horrifying: On one hand, they say they complain about "bailing out Europe". But on the other hand, they explicitly moved up the timeline so they could move before other actors and take credit. > "If the US successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost there needs to be some further economic gain extr…

How was it verified?

By the bombings taking place at the time specified and the government verifying that someone was indeed added to a chat mistakenly.
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