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Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

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Post by netdur »

Arcuru wrote: post #14

Does anyone know how making the models multimodal impacts their text capabilities? The article is claiming this achieves good performance on pure text as well, but I'm curious if there is any analysis on how much impact it usually has. I've seen some people claim it should make the models better at text, but I find that a little difficult to believe without data.

My understanding is that in multimodal models, both text and image vectors align to the same semantic space, this alignment seems to be the main difference from text-only models."

Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

#152

Post by jschoe »

simonw wrote: post #4

Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/

And it still can't answer this:

Q: "9.11 and 9.9, which one is larger?"

A: "To determine which number is larger between 9.11 and 9.9, let's compare them step by step. Both numbers have the same whole number part: 9. 9.11 has a 1 in the tenths place. 9.9 has a 9 in the tenths place. Since 9 (from 9.9) is greater than 1 (from 9.11), we can conclude that 9.9 is larger than 9.11."

"Final Answer: 9.9"

I don't think anything else needs to be said here.

Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

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Post by Workaccount2 »

101008 wrote: post #65

Silly question: how can OpenAI, Claude and all, have a valuation so large considering all the open source models? Not saying they will disappear or be tiny (closed models), but why so so so valuable?

Because they offer extremely powerful models at pretty modest prices.

The hardware for a local model would cost years and years of a $20/mo subscription, would output lower quality work, and would be much slower.

3.7 Thinking is an insane programming model. Maybe it cannot do an SWE's job, but it sure as hell can write functional narrow-scope programs with a GUI.

Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

#154

Post by MiiMe19 »

jschoe wrote: post #152
simonw wrote: post #4

Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/

And it still can't answer this: Q: "9.11 and 9.9, which one is larger?" A: "To determine which number is larger between 9.11 and 9.9, let's compare them step by step. Both numbers have the same whole number part: 9. 9.11 has a 1 in the tenths place. 9.9 has a 9 in the tenths place. Since 9 (from 9.9) is greater than 1 (from 9.11), we can conclude that 9.9 is larger than 9.11." "Final Answer: 9.9" I don't think anythi…

Sorry, I don't quite see what is wrong here.

Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

#155

Post by cplusplus6382 »

jschoe wrote: post #152
simonw wrote: post #4

Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/

And it still can't answer this: Q: "9.11 and 9.9, which one is larger?" A: "To determine which number is larger between 9.11 and 9.9, let's compare them step by step. Both numbers have the same whole number part: 9. 9.11 has a 1 in the tenths place. 9.9 has a 9 in the tenths place. Since 9 (from 9.9) is greater than 1 (from 9.11), we can conclude that 9.9 is larger than 9.11." "Final Answer: 9.9" I don't think anythi…

Answer is correct no?

Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

#156

Post by dangoodmanUT »

jschoe wrote: post #152
simonw wrote: post #4

Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/

And it still can't answer this: Q: "9.11 and 9.9, which one is larger?" A: "To determine which number is larger between 9.11 and 9.9, let's compare them step by step. Both numbers have the same whole number part: 9. 9.11 has a 1 in the tenths place. 9.9 has a 9 in the tenths place. Since 9 (from 9.9) is greater than 1 (from 9.11), we can conclude that 9.9 is larger than 9.11." "Final Answer: 9.9" I don't think anythi…

9.9-9.11 =0.79

Might want to check your math? Seems right to me

Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

#157

Post by kwakubiney »

jschoe wrote: post #152
simonw wrote: post #4

Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/

And it still can't answer this: Q: "9.11 and 9.9, which one is larger?" A: "To determine which number is larger between 9.11 and 9.9, let's compare them step by step. Both numbers have the same whole number part: 9. 9.11 has a 1 in the tenths place. 9.9 has a 9 in the tenths place. Since 9 (from 9.9) is greater than 1 (from 9.11), we can conclude that 9.9 is larger than 9.11." "Final Answer: 9.9" I don't think anythi…

But the answer is correct? 9.9 is larger than 9.11

Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

#158

Post by elicksaur »

ada1981 wrote: post #30
jsheard wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't get where the money for new open source models is going to come from once setting investor dollars on fire is no longer a viable business model. Does anyone seriously expect companies to keep buying and running thousands of ungodly expensive GPUs, plus whatever they spend on human workers to do labelling/tuning, and then giving away the spoils for free, forever?

Money from the Chinese defense budget? Everyone using these models undercuts US companies. Eventually China wins.

Shoot, didn’t know downloading Llama and running it locally was helping China because I’m not paying Sam Altman money.

Can I send him my bank account info directly? I need to help the cause.

Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

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Post by [deleted] »

jschoe wrote: post #152
simonw wrote: post #4

Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/

And it still can't answer this: Q: "9.11 and 9.9, which one is larger?" A: "To determine which number is larger between 9.11 and 9.9, let's compare them step by step. Both numbers have the same whole number part: 9. 9.11 has a 1 in the tenths place. 9.9 has a 9 in the tenths place. Since 9 (from 9.9) is greater than 1 (from 9.11), we can conclude that 9.9 is larger than 9.11." "Final Answer: 9.9" I don't think anythi…

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Re: Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

#160

Post by manaskarekar »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #154
jschoe wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it still can't answer this: Q: "9.11 and 9.9, which one is larger?" A: "To determine which number is larger between 9.11 and 9.9, let's compare them step by step. Both numbers have the same whole number part: 9. 9.11 has a 1 in the tenths place. 9.9 has a 9 in the tenths place. Since 9 (from 9.9) is greater than 1 (from 9.11), we can conclude that 9.9 is larger than 9.11." "Final Answer: 9.9" I don't think anythi…

Sorry, I don't quite see what is wrong here.

Parent is thinking Semantic Versioning.
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