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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by Filligree »

ano-ther wrote: post #144
dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

Oh yes. Got an e-bike with a Bosch controller. Have to click away the app advertisement every time before I can use the bike. And the app requires registration. I have the strong suspicion that as soon as I do that, the bike will only work with my phone and start locking out my family members from using it.

Other way around. They'll try to upsell you on a 5 euro feature that locks the bike to your phone and prevents family members (or thieves) from using it. Though since almost no ebikes do that, it doesn't work to reduce theft.

Not much point in the app unless you want to transfer routes to a map app on the head unit, though.

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Post by averageRoyalty »

dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

In Australia you're not required to keep the packaging, and the company you bought it from must cover your shipping costs. This would constitute a Major Problem[1].

1. https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/problem-with-a-product-or-...

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by consp »

Filligree wrote: post #151
ano-ther wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes. Got an e-bike with a Bosch controller. Have to click away the app advertisement every time before I can use the bike. And the app requires registration. I have the strong suspicion that as soon as I do that, the bike will only work with my phone and start locking out my family members from using it.

Other way around. They'll try to upsell you on a 5 euro feature that locks the bike to your phone and prevents family members (or thieves) from using it. Though since almost no ebikes do that, it doesn't work to reduce theft. Not much point in the app unless you want to transfer routes to a map app on the head unit, though.

Like with some cars, they then get sold for parts or there is a hack to work around it. I just put a gps tracker in the battery to get insurance money since the cops will do nothing (but will if you go after you own bike to stop you from trespassing).

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by anal_reactor »

broodbucket wrote: post #114
geerlingguy wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've had this with TVs for like 3 years now... though when they do terrible things, they don't turn off a home's heat or start fires, usually.

A return to dumb TVs would be great. Would gladly pay a premium to have a TV that's just a high quality panel and barely anything else.

What's the problem with having a smart TV but simply never using the smart functions? Mine works perfectly, once in a quarter shows some pup-up that I dismiss and that's it.

BTW I needed to connect it to local network because the remote has no button for changing brightness, so I do that from my PC.

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Post by _carbyau_ »

jmholla wrote: post #17

> When I posted on social media about this, a lot of people told me to return it. > > But I spent four hours installing this thing built into my kitchen. I sympathize with the author and what Bosch is doing here is ridiculous and I am fully against it. But, they're not going to care about your complaints. Returning it and hitting them in the pocketbook is really the only way consumers have to send messages that compa…

If someone has "influencer" power they could drag it into the back yard and light it on fire for a Youtube video.

See how Bosch likes the power of web ads.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by eduction »

geerlingguy wrote: post #78
klipklop wrote: post #56

I feel Jeff should have bit the bullet and just returned it. I know it's a waste of time, but these products have to be rejected at retail. Retailers will eventually get tired of the extra support burden and demand manufacturers drop stuff like this. They should all get hit with the open box problem from the returns.

I'd love to take a stance like that, but the reality is I've already sunk about 6 hours total into the whole operation, and I have quite limited time for my home maintenance + improvement projects as it is (my bench currently has a new faucet set to fix the leaky bathroom faucet, as well as an exhaust fan to fix the broken one in our bathroom... and those are just the things that are currently broken , not the dozen…

How long did it take to write the blog post

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Post by ryandrake »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #150
goatlover wrote: post #54

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Or a requirement that the devices don't need the cloud. It's a dishwasher. Why does it need to be online, other than to provide data for advertising and training models? You can live without being notified your dishes are done.

I can't say I see much appeal for dishwasher being online for myself, but some people live their lives differently. Perhaps this is a shared dishwasher in student house where time is tight (applies to clothes washer). Perhaps you want to fire it when power is cheap. Perhaps you want it to start automatically when you left house. Finally - adjusting settings is easier via phone UI or voice. It kinda lame so many peopl…

All of these use cases can be achieved without requiring a manufacturer-run Internet-connected cloud service.

I don't think this is a lack of imagination. Personally, I would love network-connected appliances that could be controlled and automated over my LAN. What I (and others) object to is the unnecessary round trip through the Internet to the manufacturer's server which will inevitably become the weakest link.

If there's any imagination problem, it's on the manufacturer who can't imagine a "smart" appliance that doesn't involve inserting themselves, via the Internet, in between the user and the appliance and (often) charging a monthly service fee for this misfeature.

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Post by jmkni »

Hackbraten wrote: post #22

Required reading: Unauthorized Bread by Cory Doctorow (excerpt: [0]; part of his book Radicalized [1]) [0]: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radicalized_%28Doctorow_book%2...

Or the poor mans version, "Please drink verification can" - http://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png
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