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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#72I put up with a variety of shitty appliances because I'm a renter in 2025 who doesn't anticipate ever owning a home, but if I were in the business of outfitting my place with appliances, they sure as shit would not be the crap quality touch sensor microwave, oven, and dishwasher we currently use, or the dumbass laundry machines with stupid arbitrary labels for each setting. The fridge is fine, it has a door, that's a…
renting nowadays is a nightmare if you dislike this stuff.
You may be forced into:
- "smart" door locks or garage
- wifi connected thermostat
- specific provider for building internet
- various appliances: washer, dryer, fridge, stove, microwave, dishwasher
- "package room provider" with cameras and privacy policy to photo/video of you, your address, your phone number (for access codes)
- and of course the application process...
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#73The only feature that would make me want to connect it to the cloud is if it would automatically load the dishes and then put them back in the cupboard when it finished cleaning them.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#74I was in a similar situation with a clothes dryer dying where the repair required a board that was half the price of a new one. A key difference is that I had a professional appliance repair guy look at it and he determined it needed a new board. Rather than buy a new machine like Jeff did, I made the opposite decision and paid for the board. It has been a few years since that and I have been happy with the result. I was spared from having a dryer that did not match the washing machine so I not only saved the half the cost of the dryer, but the cost of a new washer too.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#75I had a similar experience when I bought a pressure washer[1] that required an app. Some things just shouldn’t need one.
1. https://www.kaercher.com/au/home-garden/pressure-washers/sma...
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#76While it's utterly true these features will simply get abandoned by the manufacturer, people seem to discount how hard (read: expensive) it is to develop local-first software, especially the one you want to just work with a mobile app that might or might not be on the same local network or subnet (try explaining that bit to your regular Bosch customer). Since we are, ultimately, such a minority, I am sure that not ev…
Why make it work with a mobile app at all? How is that even a convenience? This is an appliance you need to be physically present at to load and unload.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#77I wonder how long it will be before we need to start paying subscriptions to use our appliances or pay per use. Bosch is leaving money on the table by only allowing you to use DRMed detergent cartridges too.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#78I feel Jeff should have bit the bullet and just returned it. I know it's a waste of time, but these products have to be rejected at retail. Retailers will eventually get tired of the extra support burden and demand manufacturers drop stuff like this. They should all get hit with the open box problem from the returns.
I'd love to take a stance like that, but the reality is I've already sunk about 6 hours total into the whole operation, and I have quite limited time for my home maintenance + improvement projects as it is (my bench currently has a new faucet set to fix the leaky bathroom faucet, as well as an exhaust fan to fix the broken one in our bathroom... and those are just the things that are currently broken, not the dozen or so routine maintenance things I am behind on otherwise!).
If taking a stand means sacrificing another 2-4 hours (and wrangling that dumb dishwasher back into the minivan, probably with some water spilling out this time, causing more pain since it'll cause minivan issues lol), I don't know if I have the time for it.
That also assumes I can find a suitable replacement unit (and wrangle it, and install it) without seriously disrupting the dish-handling routine in the house for another day or three!
Sadly, that means Bosch wins this time. But if I never buy another Bosch device again (I have one of their water heaters, and a fancy ear thermometer that I rather liked...), maybe they will lose in the long run.
Plus, now I have a long-term project to hack my dishwasher.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
How complicated of software does one need in a dishwasher? Feels like a solution looking for a problem
Or phrased another way, if local first software is so difficult why are we doing it at all when these devices worked BEFORE they had software. The worst washing machine I've ever had is my current one, and it isn't even a "smart" appliance. It has just enough software to be worse than my one with dials for everything.
They have had software for decades. They were run by microcontrollers. The only difference is that it was an embedded system with no network capabilities.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#80This is not just dishwashers - robot vacuums are super bad with this one, did not see any with local first app. ACs are just as sketchy. Another opportunity where EU can fix worldwide market.