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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

#51
I purposely spend a lot of time ensuring that an appliance (such as dishwasher, fridge, oven etc) has no connectivity before I purchase. Even if it misses out on some of the “better features”.

Surely when all appliances go down this route it will not last long, purely down to the amount of breaches that will inevitably occur. Not to mention the backlash.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died. I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher. Very quickly, I loved it. It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That…

> It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Most dishwashers will play a tune or something, and I can't see why would I want another digitalized distraction in my life instead. But TBH I can't imagine why I would want to wear another portable digital distraction source on my wrist, so maybe I'm just old fashioned. > Once upon a time I had a dishwasher whe…

> wear another portable digital distraction source on my wrist

Oh but why? Everyone around me had an apple watch, I was the odd one out. And I said to my self "no more!!!"

I bought a second-hand apple watch, I deleted all the garbage from it, I got a comfortable bracelet for it. Then I disabled Wifi/Bluetooth/Data. I got an Android phone, so connectivity is limited/shit anyway, but if you kill background processing, alerts, all transmissions, then the battery lasts forever!!!! (36hours tops). Now I am a cool moron like every other moron around me!

The only sound I kept is the 'chimes' (so if I am 'available') I drop and do 10 push-ups. That's the ONLY useful thing about this watch.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

#53

I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died. I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher. Very quickly, I loved it. It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That…

Almost any washer and dryer on the market now has an audible signal (some adjustable for pitch and volume) when the cycle is done, but if you need your phone or watch to be pinged then I guess that's a selling point for you.

My washer dryer lives in a utility room. And I’m pretty deaf.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

#54

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I'd also make that but, but only at ten years. It's unlikely but possible that the manufacturer might actually keep the backend service running for 5-10 years without it failing from incompetence or doing a deliberate rug pull. But, I'd surely bet its gone in ten years.

This highlights the need for open standards or some sort of government escrow cloud.

Or a requirement that the devices don't need the cloud. It's a dishwasher. Why does it need to be online, other than to provide data for advertising and training models? You can live without being notified your dishes are done.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

#55

Would Bosch try to go the same route as German automakers and institute a fee for ongoing use of advanced features?

Not sure if it will be Bosch first but I'm pretty sure someone will try to push subscriptions in this kind of devices... with only $3/month you can enable the fast cycle! And/or you'll get (for free this time) a screen that displays ads for detergent before you can start your dishwasher.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

#56
I feel Jeff should have bit the bullet and just returned it. I know it's a waste of time, but these products have to be rejected at retail. Retailers will eventually get tired of the extra support burden and demand manufacturers drop stuff like this.

They should all get hit with the open box problem from the returns.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Most dishwashers will play a tune or something, and I can't see why would I want another digitalized distraction in my life instead. But TBH I can't imagine why I would want to wear another portable digital distraction source on my wrist, so maybe I'm just old fashioned. > Once upon a time I had a dishwasher whe…

> wear another portable digital distraction source on my wrist Oh but why? Everyone around me had an apple watch, I was the odd one out. And I said to my self "no more!!!" I bought a second-hand apple watch, I deleted all the garbage from it, I got a comfortable bracelet for it. Then I disabled Wifi/Bluetooth/Data. I got an Android phone, so connectivity is limited/shit anyway, but if you kill background processing,…

Do people who wear an Apple Watch think they are cool? I think that is maybe in the eye of the beholder, but if it makes you feel like a cool idiot that’s nice, but I don’t know anyone who got an Apple watch because it’s cool. If you want to be cool you’d have a proper watch that every single other person doesn’t have…

For example I got mine because it has a sim in it which means I can leave my phone at home and walk my dogs and dictate voice memos or make calls while I am out.

But if it makes you feel cool that’s great!

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Stuff like this is why I never really trust "Consumer Reports" reviews.

This submission made me chuckle. My last dishwasher purchase was a Bosch based upon Consumer Reports endless praise for the brand. Bought specifically the model they recommended, a big motivator being their "predicted reliability". It was not an expensive model, but it was more expensive than alternatives.

Worst dishwasher I've ever owned. The control panel literally cracked in half in completely ordinary, if not even careful use. Everything about it seem designed to use the cheapest, smallest amount of material.

It was actually the motivator for cancelling my Consumer Reports subscription. It really made me wonder what their incentives really are.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

#59
While it's utterly true these features will simply get abandoned by the manufacturer, people seem to discount how hard (read: expensive) it is to develop local-first software, especially the one you want to just work with a mobile app that might or might not be on the same local network or subnet (try explaining that bit to your regular Bosch customer).

Since we are, ultimately, such a minority, I am sure that not even returning the product would make the manufacturer understand that this is — really — unacceptable. The only way we can get this "fixed" is by mandating open APIs for local use by regulators, when we'll see the proliferation of custom apps.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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I have this same dishwasher in my apartment (installed by my landlord). It’s not just that it requires a cloud connection for the features, but that the setup is so janky and bug-ridden that I’ve been unable to successfully make it happen. So I just live without the extra features.

All well and good until "wash dishes" is one of the features that require an app and cloud connection.

Don't laugh. Some HP printers refuse to print, after an initial "free trial" of 25 pages, until you register the printer with the HP app.

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