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The polar vortex is hitting the brakes

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Re: The polar vortex is hitting the brakes

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Post by hnaccount_rng »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #227
leke wrote: post #200

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Disclaimer Climate.gov’s Polar Vortex Blog is written, edited, and moderated by Amy Butler (NOAA Chemical Sciences Laboratory) and Laura Ciasto (NOAA Climate Prediction Center), with editorial and graphics support from the Climate.gov team (NOAA Climate Program Office). These are blog posts by subject matter experts, not official agency communications; if you quote from these posts or from the comments section, you s…

If they're making the blog posts in their capacity as NOAA employees, on an NOAA web page, wouldn't that imply that these are "official agency communications"? Or is there some distinction I'm missing?

Yes, an official agency communication would have to go through deliberations and consensus finding from ~all parts of NOAA, most blog posts will only have the input of those experts. While that will mostly not lead to significant deviations since all of the discussed areas are subject to scientific rigour there is always the human nature of all actors.

Back in university we would publish news entries for all our publications without any input from the university. But for some papers there was also an official press release by the university. That came both with additional restrictions (length, language level, flashiness) but also with additional reach (getting picked up by newspapers directly). I assume that pre-Trump this would have been a similar setup. No guess as to now though

Re: The polar vortex is hitting the brakes

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Post by sanderjd »

hallway_monitor wrote: post #67
stevenbedrick wrote: post #50

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I’m here to say that the cuts to the NSF, NIH, DoE (both energy and education) and IRS are not overhyped at all; if anything they are badly underhyped. What is overhyped is the actual “savings” that they are producing with all of this.

What would you cut? I don’t know what I would, but I do know that the United States is heading for a financial apocalypse unless drastic measures are taken now. I know there’s a lot of hysteria around this, but I’m still at the place where I can be optimistic that the US will come out ahead. At least they’re doing something besides spending more money and acting like everything‘s OK. From a long-term financial stabil…

If your plan doesn't include passing bills through Congress that increase tax revenue and cut popular social entitlement programs, it is not targeting this problem.

A few dudes firing a bunch of people entirely through executive action has absolutely nothing to do with the financial problem you're worried about. The federal payroll is not a significant cost, and the executive branch doesn't control the budget.

It is no different than a magician doing misdirection. It's up to you whether you want to buy the act.

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Post by hnaccount_rng »

bee_rider wrote: post #167
djtango wrote: post #131

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I grew up during the F to C transition in the UK and F is not intuitive. 0 = ice 100 = steam That is pretty intuitive if you ask me. And for gravy comfortable room temp is about 25

Fahrenheit is sort of intuitive if you think of it as somehow, impossibly, a percentage scale. 0C/32F is still decently comfortable anyway. 0F is, like, not at all comfortable. 100C is dead. 100F is the most unbearably hot temperature that isn’t immediately deadly.

Fahrenheit is very intuitive if you are in Danzig in one particular year... [0] otherwise.. It's a historic accident. If you want to root your measurement system in human experience your measurement system will be outdated in a couple of decades. Because humanity changes! That way there will always be old/antiquated/historic units. Metric basically accepts that and uses easy to convert units and leaves the intuition forming to the humans gathering the experience

[0] Apparently the story is disputed.. But the way I was taught it was: 100F == typical healthy human and 0 F == lowest temperature in Danzig in the winter 1708/1709. This makes it (by construction) a more natural fit to human experience (especially one in northern Europe) https://web.archive.org/web/20131015045624/http://www.deutsc...

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Post by briantakita »

acdha wrote: post #235
codr7 wrote: post #225

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Right, so people who claim to have this experience are lying, for no good reason. While people who have a lot to gain from hiding problems with wind turbines are telling the truth. Isn't that always how it works?

All of the people advancing those claims also think they have a lot to gain, too. Those claims are hard to evaluate because humans are famously subjective and prone to misattribution, which is why we invented the scientific method. Every high-quality investigation has been unable to find support for them.

This is why many people don't trust "The Science". It's the positivist materialist institutionalist gaslighting. If the conflicted institution hasn't published the opinion or the measurements then it doesn't exist. Don't believe your lying eyes or ears. If you notice somethingnot published, you are automatically wrong. All whistleblowers must be discredited.

Isn't this a tactic of con artists & cult members who have much to gain from public perception & policy?

Re: The polar vortex is hitting the brakes

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Post by hnaccount_rng »

bee_rider wrote: post #239
k_roy wrote: post #209

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Just curious on what planet you exist where 100C is only “somewhat uncomfortable”

It does kinda depend on humidity, fwiw. In New England, the 90’s are hot, unpleasant sticky weather. I guess it doesn’t happen often, but I saw some upper-90’s temperature in the Portland, Oregon area. It feels relatively mild actually, compared to New England 90’s, I’m pretty sure because it is so dry. The lighter air just carries the heat away, rather than having it stick to you.

I think GP was talking about saunas and not ambient temperature. So 100C not 100F. Still the argument remains the same: Low humidity (and reasonably short durations)

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Post by renewiltord »

acdha wrote: post #220
renewiltord wrote: post #201

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Environmentalists push renewables the way homelessness activists push housing: It’s a great idea if it is near no one, hurts no one’s views, impacts zero birds, affects zero animals, and is not built for profit by the rich. I suppose I could use their terminology, though: responsibly sited, balancing conservation priorities, and protecting local communities. I recall, in my college years, being told how Real Communis…

If you’re going to make that kind of sweeping claim representing many different people and groups, I’m going to need to see some data. What you’re describing sounds more like the mechanism I described, where rich people use the language of environmentalism to make their NIMBY activities sound less venal but that’s saying that those specific people are hypocrites rather than a general commentary on the entire field.

What evidence would convince you? If I know the bar, I can see if it can be met.

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Post by marsovo »

tbrownaw wrote: post #153
telephone4 wrote: post #102

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I don't think you understand how money works. Federal debt doesn't matter beyond its relationship to taxes and inflation. The US needs to raise taxes and address inequality through greater investment in public services and infrastructure, as well as stronger regulations on consumer goods pricing, not less.

> Federal debt doesn't matter beyond its relationship to taxes and inflation Much like household debt doesn't matter beyond it's relationship to household income?

Macroeconomics is very different from microeconomics. Your spending is my income and my spending is your income. If the government spends a dollar, where does it go?

Presumably it goes to some sort of goods and services. The employees pay income taxes. The businesses pay corporate taxes. And so on.

Similarly, when a business lays off 10,000 people, it's not their problem anymore. Whereas from a macroeconomic policy perspective, "everybody" is the government's responsibility.

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Post by DrillShopper »

dingnuts wrote: post #236
guelo wrote: post #197

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how do you know that the offices haven't been used in years and there is no impact unless a journalist told you? Is there any reason to trust rando twitter accounts besides the fact that it makes you feel better about "your side".

he probably just believes a source that didn't turn out to be directly funded by the US government, one you would likely dismiss as not a real journalist I'm all for free media but the legacy outlets currently screaming about cuts are primarily upset because THEY just lost a ton of government funding but that's good because I don't want government run news, even if it comes in a bunch of brand names, and it's funny t…

> he probably just believes a source that didn't turn out to be directly funded by the US government

One probably sponsored by the Russian government: https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential...

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Post by bee_rider »

hnaccount_rng wrote: post #245
bee_rider wrote: post #239

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It does kinda depend on humidity, fwiw. In New England, the 90’s are hot, unpleasant sticky weather. I guess it doesn’t happen often, but I saw some upper-90’s temperature in the Portland, Oregon area. It feels relatively mild actually, compared to New England 90’s, I’m pretty sure because it is so dry. The lighter air just carries the heat away, rather than having it stick to you.

I think GP was talking about saunas and not ambient temperature. So 100C not 100F. Still the argument remains the same: Low humidity (and reasonably short durations)

Oh jeez, I totally missed the C, haha. Silly of me given the topic of the thread.
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