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Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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Post by jacques_chester »

robbiep wrote: post #48
latch wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you aren't a nutritional expert (or doctor or biologist), did you bother to do _any_ research? I'm no expect, so I looked up "starvation diet". It brought me to the main wiki pain on dieting. This is what it says about "Very low-calorie diets": "They subject the body to starvation and produce an average weekly weight loss of 3.3–5.5 lb." If 5.5lb a week is the result of starvation, what might 7lbs/week be? I…

Biochemically speaking, ketosis is starvation. Once you exhaust your livers supply of glycogen (within 24 hrs usually) you begin the metabolic changes to gear up to burn muscle for ketogenesis. This involves secretion of enzymes that will break muscles down. I would presume, however, that when adequate (or some) caloric intake is maintained, esp in the form of amino acids, that this liberation of aa's from muscle is…

Ketogenesis is actually one of the metabolic pathways involved with the breakdown of fats.

You may be thinking of gluconeogenesis.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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Post by Shorel »

beloch wrote: post #5

According to his graph, he lost almost a pound a day for a full month. He didn't just cut out the sweets. He effectively went on a starvation diet! That is not safe. He is not to be congratulated, he is to be ushered into a doctor's office so some sense can be talked into him before he does himself permanent damage. When you go on a starvation diet your body breaks down muscle as well as fat, and some of that muscle…

Nice try, Monsanto representative.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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Post by Shorel »

rprasad wrote: post #7

He's not in ketosis; he's in starvation mode. He's losing massive amounts of muscle as a result of this diet, which is why he is losing so much weight. He's also losing fat, but not as efficiently as he would in a normal diet. If he keeps this up, he'll be lucky if he has the strength to pick up a coffee mug.

> He's also losing fat, but not as efficiently as he would in a normal diet.

Keto diets are faster in all reports I have read than 'normal' diets.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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Post by Shorel »

mistermann wrote: post #20
rprasad wrote: post #7

He's not in ketosis; he's in starvation mode. He's losing massive amounts of muscle as a result of this diet, which is why he is losing so much weight. He's also losing fat, but not as efficiently as he would in a normal diet. If he keeps this up, he'll be lucky if he has the strength to pick up a coffee mug.

Who put this idea into so many heads? I'm really very curious to know, where did you learn of this starvation mode idea?

It's the same as 'lactic acid is poison', some day the good science will win and the textbooks will be updated.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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Post by rprasad »

Shorel wrote: post #53
rprasad wrote: post #7

He's not in ketosis; he's in starvation mode. He's losing massive amounts of muscle as a result of this diet, which is why he is losing so much weight. He's also losing fat, but not as efficiently as he would in a normal diet. If he keeps this up, he'll be lucky if he has the strength to pick up a coffee mug.

> He's also losing fat, but not as efficiently as he would in a normal diet. Keto diets are faster in all reports I have read than 'normal' diets.

Keto diets are faster than normal diets and prevent muscle distrophy. He's not following a keto diet.

Note that both keto diets and starvation mode diets cause cardiovascular stress (though for keto diets, this is only an issue if you have other risk conditions for cardiovascular disease, such as diabetes).

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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Post by fuzionmonkey »

espeed wrote: post #24

Cutting out Diet Coke (and artificial sweeteners) has been key for me. I feel much healthier, and my head is clearer. Sugar is next. One other body hack: my knuckles were starting to ache like I had arthritis. At first I thought it was from programming too much, but then I discovered that peanuts can cause inflammation -- I was eating peanuts all the time as my go-to snack -- I eliminated those and my arthritis sympt…

Aspartame has been proven to be safe. The worst thing about Diet Coke is probably effect of the acid on your enamel.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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Post by espeed »

fuzionmonkey wrote: post #56
espeed wrote: post #24

Cutting out Diet Coke (and artificial sweeteners) has been key for me. I feel much healthier, and my head is clearer. Sugar is next. One other body hack: my knuckles were starting to ache like I had arthritis. At first I thought it was from programming too much, but then I discovered that peanuts can cause inflammation -- I was eating peanuts all the time as my go-to snack -- I eliminated those and my arthritis sympt…

Aspartame has been proven to be safe. The worst thing about Diet Coke is probably effect of the acid on your enamel.

What study are you referring to? There are studies that show diet soda and/or Aspartame are linked to metabolic syndrome (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/nutrition/05symp.ht...) and other studies regarding its excitotoxicity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity).

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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Post by robbiep »

jacques_chester wrote: post #51
robbiep wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biochemically speaking, ketosis is starvation. Once you exhaust your livers supply of glycogen (within 24 hrs usually) you begin the metabolic changes to gear up to burn muscle for ketogenesis. This involves secretion of enzymes that will break muscles down. I would presume, however, that when adequate (or some) caloric intake is maintained, esp in the form of amino acids, that this liberation of aa's from muscle is…

Ketogenesis is actually one of the metabolic pathways involved with the breakdown of fats. You may be thinking of gluconeogenesis.

You are right. Brainfart. thanks
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