Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

If we wouldn’t do that for Russia, which I suggested years ago and was massively dragged for it on HN, then why would we do it for Italy? I don’t agree with poisoning DNS, but there are way worse things happening on the internet that we don’t disconnect whole nations for.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by geoffpado » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 8:25 PM UTC

Kenji wrote: post #2

DOH is your friend. My regime poisons DNS and enabling DOH makes things accessible again.

Serious question: how is DoH supposed to help when the resolver itself is being asked to return bad results? DoH makes sense if something is MITM-ing your DNS requests, but it sounds in this case that Google is being asked to just straight-up return bad results?

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Post by djoldman » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 8:27 PM UTC

> This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites.

I'm always curious about jurisdiction on this stuff.

If Cloudflare had no physical machines, employees, and property within Italy's borders, under what law could Italy levy a fine?

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Post by bakugo » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 8:28 PM UTC

> The goal is aimed at preventing illegal football streams

It's impressive how much internet censorship in Europe is currently being caused by this one group of extremely greedy people. It's one of the rare cases where the sheer size and international influence of companies like Google and Cloudflare can actually do some good for the world by fighting back against such laws.

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Post by drpossum » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 8:28 PM UTC

ok_dad wrote: post #5

drpossum wrote: post #3

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If we wouldn’t do that for Russia, which I suggested years ago and was massively dragged for it on HN, then why would we do it for Italy? I don’t agree with poisoning DNS, but there are way worse things happening on the internet that we don’t disconnect whole nations for.

Then do it for Russia too. I also don't care if I get "dragged" for suggesting it. Capitulating to poor leadership is enabling poor leadership and the world is in a bad state because of it.

Literally the only reason it doesn't happen is because there's too much money to be made for people who are not you and me.

Frankly if it did happen, someone would bridge it and I'm sure that rogue bridge ain't gonna be poisoning anything. They'd be a hero and a broker.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by mantas » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 8:28 PM UTC

geoffpado wrote: post #6

Kenji wrote: post #2

DOH is your friend. My regime poisons DNS and enabling DOH makes things accessible again.

Serious question: how is DoH supposed to help when the resolver itself is being asked to return bad results? DoH makes sense if something is MITM-ing your DNS requests, but it sounds in this case that Google is being asked to just straight-up return bad results?

DOH over proxy to pretend you’re elsewhere?