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30 Days Without Sugar

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Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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He's not in ketosis; he's in starvation mode. He's losing massive amounts of muscle as a result of this diet, which is why he is losing so much weight. He's also losing fat, but not as efficiently as he would in a normal diet. If he keeps this up, he'll be lucky if he has the strength to pick up a coffee mug.

> He's losing massive amounts of muscle as a result of this diet, which is why he is losing so much weight.

You're conflating two different things.

The first is gluconeogensis, the breakdown of amino acids to create blood sugar. This is the main mechanism whereby energy is liberated from lean tissue. But it doesn't happen easily -- the body will go to fat stores first because they are highly accessible and very dense sources of energy.

The second is catabolism or protein degradation, which is a constant cellular process. Catabolism is affected by cortisol, a hormone which amongst other things increases under conditions of metabolic stress.

But here's the kicker: if you do weight bearing exercises and consume enough protein, you create offsetting pressure for anabolism that the "protein balance" will come out neutral or even positive.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

#12
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You've overegged the case. http://examine.com/faq/how-do-i-stay-out-of-starvation-mode....

Really? The posted link contains all of 3 studies. One of those studies involves a single individual and the other study is a meta-study which contains no actual data at all. ("Meta-study" is a fancy scientific word meaning "find studies that fit our thesis and massage the data as necesary until it says what we want." Did you know that meta-studies suggest that most hackers (actually, any male who has not lived with…

And your peer-reviewed sources are ...?

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

#13
post #5

According to his graph, he lost almost a pound a day for a full month. He didn't just cut out the sweets. He effectively went on a starvation diet! That is not safe. He is not to be congratulated, he is to be ushered into a doctor's office so some sense can be talked into him before he does himself permanent damage. When you go on a starvation diet your body breaks down muscle as well as fat, and some of that muscle…

How exactly is eating no sugar or fruit a starvation diet? You're way off on this one.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

#14
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This most certainly wasn't a starvation diet. I didn't starve myself at any point. I'm not at all convinced my body has broken down any muscle. I'm not in any danger whatsoever.

It sounds exactly like a starvation diet; you can't lose 1 lb/day without losing massive amounts of muscle. You haven't noticed the muscle loss yet b/c the body prioritizes the breakdown of unused/minimally used muscles. But if you keep this up much longer it will start to effect your ability to perform basic feats of strength. That rate of weight loss you appear to be achieving also causes massive stress on the card…

> It sounds exactly like a starvation diet; you can't lose 1 lb/day without losing massive amounts of muscle.

Yes. Yes you can.

Gluconeogenesis is difficult and wasteful. Lipolysis is by comparison a doddle. The body will gleefully favour liberating energy from fat stores for a long time before turning to lean tissue.

The idea of "starvation mode" comes from the Minnesota Starvation Study, where subjects had their intake reduced by 25-50% for six months. They were so completely starved that they exhausted their fat stores and broke down lean tissue for energy.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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post #5

According to his graph, he lost almost a pound a day for a full month. He didn't just cut out the sweets. He effectively went on a starvation diet! That is not safe. He is not to be congratulated, he is to be ushered into a doctor's office so some sense can be talked into him before he does himself permanent damage. When you go on a starvation diet your body breaks down muscle as well as fat, and some of that muscle…

This most certainly wasn't a starvation diet. I didn't starve myself at any point. I'm not at all convinced my body has broken down any muscle. I'm not in any danger whatsoever.

Don't take my word for it. Certainly don't take the internet's word for it. Just go see your doctor.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This most certainly wasn't a starvation diet. I didn't starve myself at any point. I'm not at all convinced my body has broken down any muscle. I'm not in any danger whatsoever.

Don't take my word for it. Certainly don't take the internet's word for it. Just go see your doctor.

If we're seeing medical professionals, a registered dietitian would be the right person to see.

That said, I'll bet folding money that his blood panel has improved.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

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You would be surprised how much better you can feel by just staying away from conventional sweets and sugars. It's a pretty low hanging fruit (sorry) in making your self healthier. Just don't eat ice cream, candy, desserts, or soda. You will look and feel excellent without putting yourself through some crazy diet that may end up killing you.

Re: 30 Days Without Sugar

#20
post #7

He's not in ketosis; he's in starvation mode. He's losing massive amounts of muscle as a result of this diet, which is why he is losing so much weight. He's also losing fat, but not as efficiently as he would in a normal diet. If he keeps this up, he'll be lucky if he has the strength to pick up a coffee mug.

Who put this idea into so many heads? I'm really very curious to know, where did you learn of this starvation mode idea?
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