Do people actually want this AI stuff in their phone? I don't want AI on my desktop/laptop computer and I don't want it on my phone either. None of my family or friends that I talk to seem to want it either.
Apple shuffles AI executive ranks in bid to turn around Siri
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Re: Apple shuffles AI executive ranks in bid to turn around Siri
#222A few quick cliffs notes plus added info: John "JG" Giannandrea was hired over to Apple around 2018 to head Apple's new AI/ML division, which would include the Siri organization that predates Giannandrea's tenure at Apple. Giannandrea was previously the executive in charge of Google's Research division. Mike Rockwell was hired into Apple from Dolby Labs around 2015 to head a group called "TDG" that would be the R&D a…
So they needed someone with… vision?
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#223I just don't understand how a huge company like Apple managed to mess up Siri so badly. Siri used to be useful, now it is a piece of crap.
Voice assistance was the hyped thing sometime before block chain and LLMs. Everyone needed one or was working on one. So Siri got stuck into the iPhone, like Apple Intelligence is now, because "the market" needed Apple to do so to keep stock prices going up. Then the hype died out Apple sort of needed to keep Siri around, because it is one of the interface to the HomePod and CarPlay. There's no reason do develop Siri beyond that, because very few people use it, not having a better version isn't going to sell less iPhone and they can't mine the data, because they sold everyone on Apple being privacy friendly.
There's absolutely no business case in having Siri do anything beyond "Call my wife", "Next song", "Play U2".
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#224imo, Apple are actually ahead when it comes to the hardware side of the whole thing. Their vertical integration gives them an edge not many can match, when it comes to running ML models. It's a no-brainer for Apple to reduce the barriers for devs to build really cool native Mac/i{Pad}OS applications and incentivize them to leverage the built-in AI/ML abilities to a greater extent. The iPhone in part took off _because…
It surely is just your opinion. Nvidia is king and Apple has found a way to market an integrated GPU and CPU RAM as something magnificent, rather than something that has existed since the dawn of computing.
There is a reason Nvidia is king. There is a reason corporations buy Nvidia and not Apple for their LLM uses.
Re: Apple shuffles AI executive ranks in bid to turn around Siri
#225Do people actually want this AI stuff in their phone? I don't want AI on my desktop/laptop computer and I don't want it on my phone either. None of my family or friends that I talk to seem to want it either.
Re: Apple shuffles AI executive ranks in bid to turn around Siri
#226Re: Apple shuffles AI executive ranks in bid to turn around Siri
#227Do people actually want this AI stuff in their phone? I don't want AI on my desktop/laptop computer and I don't want it on my phone either. None of my family or friends that I talk to seem to want it either.
I could be wrong of course, but my intuition is that only that tiny fraction of the population already following LLMs would potentially not want AI Stuff on their phones.
Re: Apple shuffles AI executive ranks in bid to turn around Siri
#228John Giannandrea (JG) was running the Google Assistant when I was there. That didn't go so well. (Pre-LLM assistants as a category have done badly - Alexa/Siri did _ok_ but presumably everyone working on them had higher hopes.) I remember being surprised when JG seemingly "failed up" to become head of Apple AI. It's been many years and it's hard to point to anything that's gone well in that category. Seems like there…
Failing up is surprisingly common
Re: Apple shuffles AI executive ranks in bid to turn around Siri
#229Do people actually want this AI stuff in their phone? I don't want AI on my desktop/laptop computer and I don't want it on my phone either. None of my family or friends that I talk to seem to want it either.
Just a local LLM app would be fine. I don't want it to be integrated with the OS.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They addressed this once with a huge “0 new features” iteration with Snow Leopard to catch up on the worst of it This is a myth, though a myth created by Apple itself and Bertrand Serlet's tongue-in-cheek keynote slide. Snow Leopard actually had a number of new features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#New_or_c... Moreover, Mac OS X 10.6.0 was much buggier than its immediately predecessor Mac OS…
Yeah it seems like there’s a serious fundamental problem, or multiple, beyond just the yearly cadence. Because they still managed to fix all the egregious bugs by August every year, as late as Mojave in 2019. From my recollection at least.
My argument is that they were never building and have never built software at a sustainable pace, even before the yearly cadence. They race ahead with tech debt then never pay it off, so the problem gets progressively worse.
A while back, that merely manifested as more and more defects over time.
More recently, they began failing to ship on time and started pre-announcing features that would ship later.
And now they’ve progressed to failing to ship on time, pre-announcing features that would ship later, and then failing to ship those features later.
This is not the yearly cadence. This is consistently committing to more than they are capable of, which results in linear growth of tech debt, which results in rising defects and lower productivity over time. It would happen with any cadence.