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Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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post #54

If you are a dev on a JavaScript/CSS development website and can't figure out how to script this yourself, you deserve to pay extra.

Obviously you just ask your company for a wider monitor so the sidebar takes up less space as a percentage, easy peezy

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hitchiker's Guide already had a rant about useless jobs like telephone sanitisers and hairdressers. While I don't necessarily agree with hairdressers being useless, I feel like much of the economy is selling stuff no one really needs to solve problems no one really has in order to justify one's employment, and that share is increasing as automation scales the useful things with proportionately less effort. That's…

No one needs hairdressers? How do you figure?

I'm saying I don't agree with it! (and I say that despite not having had my hair cut since the pandemic)

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

#83
post #10

Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.

> Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. Shoppers expect shopping carts at a supermarket to be free, but you still have for-profit factories that employ many people to produce shopping carts that they sell for-profit to supermarkets. Do you also struggle to understand how that works?

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Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Sometimes I hear people say that to succeed in our economy you need to offer the best product for the lowest price--or rather, the right balance between the two.

But so often in my career and in general, I have seen the most successful companies doing extra work to make their product worse. It's both obvious and subtle how bad this is; if the people who implemented this feature had instead spent their time doing nothing, it would have improved the product.

"Competition is fierce, so let's spend time and money making our product worse"--is this the winning strategy from the company at the forefront of technology? Apparently. This is a testament to the health of our free markets.

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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post #64
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software is very scalable and can provide a lot of value. If you look at the revenue per SWE for Microsoft, Alphabet, Netflix, etc, then it's hard to compare them to the person whose job isn't scalable, to say a truck driver, nurse, or bartender.

So I agree with this but I think it distorts the true value. A nurse is worth way more to society than another SWE but the SWE gets paid way more. Bankers get paid a lot because they control money supply but I don’t think most people believe bankers are helping them or wish we had more bankers. Software is going down a similar path (see artist outrage over AI) because the pull of money is too great.

I agree that the value to society and the economic value are two completely different things. I shining example of this principle is the 1980s corporate raiders that would buy a company, gut its pension program, and ride off with the profits.

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

#86

The site in question seems unusable if you visit it on mobile (iPhone/Safari): https://jsfiddle.net It could at least show a “designed for desktop use only” message or something.

On android brave is quite ugly too. Perhaps it's intended for desktop use mainly

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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post #10

Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.

The cost of software has been a matter of much debate since long before I was born (and I wasn't exactly born yesterday…). It was a bit of a scandal when software first started costing more than the hardware it was to run on (due to rising complexity in the software requirements needing more human resource to satisfy, and reducing hardware costs from technology improvements/refinements).

People programming for fun has always skewed its worth in the eye of some, and we also get the old “doing it for the exposure” expectations that is endemic in all creative realms.

But something as simple as the minimal code needed for this particular feature, which is essentially a QoL UX feature, is something that I think should be standard if present, not an added extra charge on top of what is already being paid (this isn't a free service, payment is through letting them sell you to there stalky ad-tech partners). It definitely feels like very deliberate price gouging.

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Sometimes I hear people say that to succeed in our economy you need to offer the best product for the lowest price--or rather, the right balance between the two. But so often in my career and in general, I have seen the most successful companies doing extra work to make their product worse. It's both obvious and subtle how bad this is; if the people who implemented this feature had instead spent their time doing noth…

> This is a testament to the health of our free markets.

no, it's not. it's a statement that applies to a monopoly. And software is a monopoly - because each piece of software is unique enough, that there's no replacement possible.

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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post #10

Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.

>> Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way. Software is the only industry where the marginal cost of the product is ZERO. All software you use has already been developed, you are presumably paying for updat…

> Software is the only industry where the marginal cost of the product is ZERO.

The same is true of anything where all the value is in the bytes -- news, film, music, the written word.

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