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Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Post by alehlopeh »

lores wrote: post #39
Sytten wrote: post #10

Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.

The Hitchiker's Guide already had a rant about useless jobs like telephone sanitisers and hairdressers. While I don't necessarily agree with hairdressers being useless, I feel like much of the economy is selling stuff no one really needs to solve problems no one really has in order to justify one's employment, and that share is increasing as automation scales the useful things with proportionately less effort. That's…

No one needs hairdressers? How do you figure?

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Post by lotsofpulp »

lores wrote: post #39
Sytten wrote: post #10

Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.

The Hitchiker's Guide already had a rant about useless jobs like telephone sanitisers and hairdressers. While I don't necessarily agree with hairdressers being useless, I feel like much of the economy is selling stuff no one really needs to solve problems no one really has in order to justify one's employment, and that share is increasing as automation scales the useful things with proportionately less effort. That's…

I see automation scaling the less useful things, while the stuff we really need (on site trades, healthcare, child care, farming, etc) is having a hard time scaling.

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Post by littlestymaar »

legitster wrote: post #42

You know people like to complain about things and how everything is worse these days, but this is exactly how shareware operated back in the day.

With shareware, if something had been working for years and the developers released a new version when everything became premium, you could have stayed on the previous version. Not with these cloud tools, and that's why enshitification is a thing when it wasn't before.

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Post by motorest »

Sytten wrote: post #10

Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.

> Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers.

Shoppers expect shopping carts at a supermarket to be free, but you still have for-profit factories that employ many people to produce shopping carts that they sell for-profit to supermarkets. Do you also struggle to understand how that works?

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Post by maccard »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #36
maccard wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m in a hobby band, and Spotify is important but we’ve made absolutely nothing from it with a few thousand listens. 50 people buy our album digitally and we have enough to record another track.

That's good to know. Yeah, I think Spotify is great for discovering new bands, but if you want them to keep going you gotta chip in. We need more than just the same top 40 artists in our world.

I don’t mind the homogenisation- I work in video games and benefit from it in that side.

But you are right if you want it to succeed then you need to chip in. We sell an album for £7 digitally, or £30 for vinyl + digital, but it’s basically just donating to us to say “please keep recording stuff”. We’ve made more off selling a single vinyl than all our combined streaming income

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Post by lores »

relaxing wrote: post #49
lores wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hitchiker's Guide already had a rant about useless jobs like telephone sanitisers and hairdressers. While I don't necessarily agree with hairdressers being useless, I feel like much of the economy is selling stuff no one really needs to solve problems no one really has in order to justify one's employment, and that share is increasing as automation scales the useful things with proportionately less effort. That's…

The point of that rant was the culture that got rid of the telephone sanitizers was subsequently wiped out by communicable disease. A lesson we still struggle with…

I take it as just a joke, not as Douglas Adams pointing out no job is useless, because management consultants were included too and I can't see him think THEY are useful, but it's possible.

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Post by lotsofpulp »

AtomBalm wrote: post #47
Sytten wrote: post #10

Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.

Mathematicians aren’t expected to be paid royalties when someone uses their discoveries. Paying to lease a server or for access it, sure, but software itself? It’s nonsense.

If a mathematician’s discovery has commercial applications (for example in creating arbitrage for trading, or breaking cryptography, or increasing security), then they can choose to keep it to themselves and commercialize it.

Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month

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Post by lesuorac »

motorest wrote: post #55
Sytten wrote: post #10

Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.

> Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. Shoppers expect shopping carts at a supermarket to be free, but you still have for-profit factories that employ many people to produce shopping carts that they sell for-profit to supermarkets. Do you also struggle to understand how that works?

Ice was free and now it's not.

I don't think consumer expectations matter that much when they don't have a free alternative.

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