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run ads, ask for donations, include genuinely premium features for a fee? anything other than restricting basic functionality.
I don't think that can work for a VC-backed company that is pressured to grow until absorbing the entire universe :)
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Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month
#12.
run ads, ask for donations, include genuinely premium features for a fee? anything other than restricting basic functionality.
What's genuinely premium feature? Donations just doesn't work. Even the open source projects used by all of fortune 500 is unable to raise one full time position funding.
And tbh anything is better than ads in a site aimed for developers.
Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month
#13Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.
Music pretty squarely fits that bill. We used to beam it out over the air, now we transmit it through the internet, but everyone has always expected it to be free. And musicians are still expected to make a ton of money off of their music, if a lot of people like it.
Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month
#14Or you could spend 5 minutes in TamperMonkey and replace the button with a working one. 10 minutes if you want to hide the other upselling interface elements. I pretty often make little fixes to websites I use. It's quite satisfying.
Honestly that's equally frustrating as it is easy to fix. At least on a PC with a web browser.
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#15Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month
#16Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.
Music pretty squarely fits that bill. We used to beam it out over the air, now we transmit it through the internet, but everyone has always expected it to be free. And musicians are still expected to make a ton of money off of their music, if a lot of people like it.
I've taken to buying CDs again. I still stream, but for artists I like I at least own the CD and might pick up some merch too because the reality is that only the big artists make a ton of money, or even any money at all.
Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month
#17There are so many of these sandbox sites. Has a clear best option emerged?
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#18No one's gonna pay just for the sidebar being collapsible. Maybe someone is going to because it was the last straw, but most are just going to be annoyed. Better ask for money only for something with real value (which I'm sure the pro tier also includes).
Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Music pretty squarely fits that bill. We used to beam it out over the air, now we transmit it through the internet, but everyone has always expected it to be free. And musicians are still expected to make a ton of money off of their music, if a lot of people like it.
I've taken to buying CDs again. I still stream, but for artists I like I at least own the CD and might pick up some merch too because the reality is that only the big artists make a ton of money, or even any money at all.
I’m in a hobby band, and Spotify is important but we’ve made absolutely nothing from it with a few thousand listens. 50 people buy our album digitally and we have enough to record another track.
Re: Imagine telling 2010 devs that in 2025, collapsing a div would require $8/ month
#20Software is weird because it is expected that should be free (as in beer) for most consumers while while being for profit and giving high salaries to its workers. I struggle to think of any other privately owned sector of the economy that works that way.
Comically high salaries are an aberration due to zero interest rates. SWEs should earn well, but not 3-4x as much as the median (and conversely, median salary should pay the rent, the housing market also being distorted by ZIRP).