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Post by rglullis »

kittikitti wrote: post #494
rglullis wrote: post #152

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Oh, stop. I'm talking about social proof as in "You are an student of the city university, so you get an account at the library", "Julie from the book reading group wanted an account at our Bookwyrm server, so I made an account for her" or even "Unnamed customer who signed up for Cingular Wireless and was given an authorization code to access Level 2 support directly".

This is being naive about the kinds of gatekeeping and social proof occurring today. I fully believe you didn't intend to mention social proof to be racist, but with people like Zuck and Elon removing DEI, being racist is social proof you belong in their elite club.

> This is being naive about the kinds of gatekeeping and social proof occurring today

You are taking one thing I said (service providers will require some form of payment or social proof to give credentials to people who want to access the service), assumed the worst possible interpretation (people will only implement the worst possible forms of social proofing), and to top it off you added something else (gatekeeping) entirely on your own.

I can not dictate how you interpret my comment, but maybe could you be a bit more charitable and assume positive intent when talking with people you never met?

Re: FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companies

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Post by xena »

GaggiX wrote: post #391
xena wrote: post #33

It's really surreal to see my project in the preview image like this. That's wild! If you want to try it: https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis . So far I've noticed that it seems to actually work. I just deployed it to xeiaso.net as a way to see how it fails in prod for my blog.

The AI anime girl has 6 fingers btw, combating AI bot with AI girls. Edit: I will probably send a pull request to fix it.

I'm commissioning an artist to make better assets. These are the placeholders that I used with the original rageware implementation. I never thought it would take off like this!

Re: FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companies

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Post by DidYaWipe »

WhyOhWhyQ wrote: post #277
rectang wrote: post #252

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> Look at the primary economic claim offered by AI companies: to end the need for a substantial portion of all jobs on the planet. And this is why AI training is not "fair use". The AI companies seek to train models in order to compete with the authors of the content used to train the models. A possible eventual downfall of AI is that the risk of losing a copyright infringement lawsuit is not going away. If a court d…

I've pointed this out to a few people in this space. They tend to suggest that the value in AI is so great this means we should get rid of copyright law entirely.

What an infantile worldview.

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Post by DrillShopper »

blibble wrote: post #269
billy99k wrote: post #264

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Sure, maybe in 50 years. At the moment, it's a productivity tool. Strangely, by the look of the down votes, the HN community doesn't quite understand this.

what you don't understand is you are training your own replacement the tools feed back to the mothership what you are accepting and what you aren't this is a far better signal than anything they get from crawling the internet

Class traitors never understand this

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Post by thayne »

WhyOhWhyQ wrote: post #277
rectang wrote: post #252

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> Look at the primary economic claim offered by AI companies: to end the need for a substantial portion of all jobs on the planet. And this is why AI training is not "fair use". The AI companies seek to train models in order to compete with the authors of the content used to train the models. A possible eventual downfall of AI is that the risk of losing a copyright infringement lawsuit is not going away. If a court d…

I've pointed this out to a few people in this space. They tend to suggest that the value in AI is so great this means we should get rid of copyright law entirely.

I'm doubtful the AI companies would be happy with getting rid of laws protecting _their_ intellectual property.

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Post by DidYaWipe »

Suppafly wrote: post #331
yurishimo wrote: post #284

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> ... but for stuff which people put up thinking it is just going to be publicly visible ... I don't think these business owners really understand. Most normies just think everyone has a Facebook/Instagram account and can't even imagine a world where that is not the case. I agree with you that it is extremely frustrating.

>Most normies just think everyone has a Facebook/Instagram account and can't even imagine a world where that is not the case. The people without a basic internet presence aren't likely to be customers anyway so it's not a huge loss. It's trivial to setup a basic account for any site that doesn't contain any personal data you want to keep hidden, if you aren't willing to do that, you're in a tiny minority.

There's no "basic Internet presence" for an individual. If you think it through, every attempt to make that a thing has wound up being MySpace, Facebook, or the next dumpster.

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Post by bigfudge »

tadfisher wrote: post #447
dbingham wrote: post #296

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That value is only great if it's shared equitably with the rest of the planet. If it's owned by a few, as it is right now, it's an existential threat to the life, liberty, and pursuit of a happiness of everyone else on the planet. We should be seriously considering what we're going to do in response to that threat if something doesn't change soon.

AI is going to implode within 2 years. Once it starts ingesting its own output as training data it is going to be at best capped at its current capability and at worst even more hallucinatory and worthless.

The mistake you make here is to forget that the training data of the original models was also _full_ or errors and biases — and yet they still produced coherent and useful output. LLM training seems to be incredibly resilient to noise in the training set.

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Post by bigfudge »

lukevp wrote: post #155
sevensor wrote: post #102

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I don’t think you’re missing anything, I think the plan really is to burn it all down and rule over the ashes. The old saw “if you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich?” works in reverse too. This is a foolish, shortsighted thing to do, and they’re doing it anyway. Not really thinking about where value actually comes from or what their grandchildren’s lives would be like in such a world.

Capitalism is an unthinking, unfeeling force. The writing is on the wall that AI is coming, and being altruistic about it doesn’t do jack to keep others from the land grab. Their thinking is, might as well join the rush and hope they’re one of the winners. Every one of us sitting on the sidelines will be impacted in some way or the other. So who’re the smart ones, the ones who grab shovels and start digging, or the o…

This is a bleak view. How about the ones who work hard to shape the way we adopt the technology to societal benefit ?

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Post by kerkeslager »

AI as it currently exists is a massive blight on society. The best things being done with AI are cute side projects, whereas the most common usages are low-quality thefts of human copyrighted work without attribution.

20 years ago the fear of AI was that it would take over the world and try to kill us. Today we can clearly see that the threat of AI is the amoral humans that control it.

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Post by dabbz »

inetknght wrote: post #403
Suppafly wrote: post #394

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You're in a tiny enough minority that it doesn't matter to them. It's like Amish complaining that they can't use a drive-thru window or something. Except it'd take you 30 seconds, one time, to solve your problem forever.

> Except it'd take you 30 seconds, one time, to solve your problem forever. And those 30 seconds are a harrowing pit of despair out of which comes the rest of your life filled with advertisements, tracking, second-guessing, and accusations of being a hypocrite.

To be fair, they've been shown to still track unauthenticated users via fingerprinting and mapping it to known data from your friends who do have Facebook and upload this data (phone numbers, first, last name, etc). NOT having an account doesn't mean you aren't being tracked.

Not that it means you should just make an account to make their tracking easier...

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