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Post by GolfPopper »

djha-skin wrote: post #73
lelanthran wrote: post #42

The big takeaway here is that Google's (and advertisement in general) dominance over the web is going away. This is because the only way to stop the bots is with a captcha, and this also stops search indexers from indexing your site. This will result in search engines not indexing sites, and hence providing no value anymore. There's probably going to be a small lag as the current knowledge in the current LLMs dry up…

I actually envision Liapunov stability, like wolf and rabbit populations. In this scenario, we're the rabbits. Human content will increase when AI populations decrease, this providing more food for AI, which will then increase. This drowns out human expression, and the humans will grow quieter. This provides less fodder for the AI, and they decrease. This means less noise and the humans grow louder. The cycle repeats…

Until broken by the Butlerian Jihad, "Though shalt not make a machine in the likeness of the mind of man."

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Post by hartator »

diggan wrote: post #177
xena wrote: post #33

It's really surreal to see my project in the preview image like this. That's wild! If you want to try it: https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis . So far I've noticed that it seems to actually work. I just deployed it to xeiaso.net as a way to see how it fails in prod for my blog.

Nice work :) One piece of feedback: Could you add some explanation (for humans) what we're supposed to do and what is happening when met by that page? I know there is a loading animation widget thingy, but the first time I saw that page (some weeks ago at the Gnome issue tracker), it was proof-of-work'ing for like 20 seconds, and I wasn't sure what was going on, I initially thought I got blocked or that the captcha f…

Maybe a progress bar?

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Post by nancyminusone »

pkdpic wrote: post #100
UncleMeat wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. And it is much more far reaching than that. Look at the primary economic claim offered by AI companies: to end the need for a substantial portion of all jobs on the planet. The entire vision is to remake the entire world into one where the owners of these companies own everything and are completely unconstrained. All intellectual property belongs to them. All labor belongs to them. Why would they need good will…

And how could they possibly base their actions on good when their technology is more important than fire? History is depending on them to do everything possible to increase their market cap.

More important than fire? AI runs on fire.

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Post by megadata »

mrweasel wrote: post #180
immibis wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Traditionally, holders of IP ranges that attack the internet at large get kicked off the internet by having those ranges blacklisted everywhere. This can also get them in serious trouble with the places they got their IP ranges (I assume AWS has them directly from ARIN, so maybe not) and their upstream bandwidth providers and so on, as well as making them less attractive hosts because they are blocked everywhere.

Kicking AWS of the internet would effectively break half of everything. So much stuff is relying on services running on AWS that it's not even funny. We've seen random stuff break when AWS has had outages, not because we used AWS ourselves, but because suppliers do.

You don't need to kick anyone off the internet. Just ban them for accessing your resources.

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Post by neutronicus »

sambull wrote: post #209
neutronicus wrote: post #185

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"Making money" is only a relevant goal when you need money to persuade humans to do things for you . Once you have an army of robot slaves ... you've rendered the whole concept of money irrelevant . Your skynet just barters rare earth metals with other skynets and your robot slaves furnish your desired lifestyle as best they can given the amount of rare earth metals your skynet can get its hands on. Or maybe a better…

Good thing AI for now needs power, water and a place to exchange heat. Our version of womp rats if it goes to far I guess.

That's part of the "rare earth metals" synecdoche - hydroelectric dams, thorium mines, great lakes heat sinks - they're all things for skynets to kill or barter for as expedient

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Post by TonyTrapp »

diggan wrote: post #202
TonyTrapp wrote: post #196

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As someone that is also affected by this: We see a manifold increase in requests since this LLM crap is going on. Many of these IPs come from companies that obviously work with LLM technology, but the problem is that it's 100s of IPs doing 1 request, not 1 IP doing 100s of requests. It's just extremely unlikely that anyone else is responsible for this.

> IPs come from companies that obviously work with LLM technology Like from their own ASNs you're saying? Or how are you connecting the IPs with the company? > is that it's 100s of IPs doing 1 request Are all of those IPs within the same ranges or scattered? Thanks a lot for taking the time to talk about your experience btw, as someone who hasn't been hit by this it's interesting to have more details about it before…

> Like from their own ASNs you're saying? Or how are you connecting the IPs with the company?

Those are the ones that make it obvious, yes. It's not exclusive, though, but enough to connect the dots.

> Are all of those IPs within the same ranges or scattered?

The IP ranges are all over the place. Alibaba seems to have tons of small ASNs, for instance.

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Post by tehjoker »

don’t immediately assume that openai and anthropoic are being better citizens just because they label some of their bots. the american companies are more likely to be extremely aggressive bc they will feel no consequences for their actions.

in all likelihood all of these assholes are paying some unscrupulous suppliers for the data so the terabytes of traffic aren’t immediately attributable to them.

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