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Re: FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companies

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In the past month, I've had to block LLM bots attacking my poor little VPSs — not once, but twice.

First, it was Facebook https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23490367 and now it's these other companies.

What's worse? They completely ignore a simple HTTP 429 status.

Re: FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companies

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post #11

...at some point, some people started appreciating mailing lists and the distributed nature of Git again.

And Usenet, and IRC with a registered user prereq to join. Also, set AI tarpits as fake links with recursive calls. Make then mad with non-curated bullshit made from Markov chain generators until their cache begins to rot forever.

This problem will likely only get worse, so I'd be interested to see how people adapt. I was thinking about sending data through the mail like the old days. Maybe we go back to the original Tim Berners-Lee Xanadu setup charging users small amounts for access but working out ISP or VPN deals to give subscribers enough credit to browse without issues.

Re: FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companies

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post #16

My question is, can we serve PoW challenges to these AI LLM scrapers that can be profitable?

That's what I've been doing! It works shockingly well. https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis

Unless I am missing something, the result of that generated work has no monetary value though.

Re: FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companies

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post #16

My question is, can we serve PoW challenges to these AI LLM scrapers that can be profitable?

That's what I've been doing! It works shockingly well. https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis

I'm curious if the PoW component is really necessary, AIUI untargeted crawlers are usually curl wrappers which don't run Javascript, so requiring even a trivial amount of JS would defeat them. Unless AI companies are so flush with cash that they can afford to just use headless Chrome for everything, efficiency be damned.

Re: FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companies

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post #10

Yep -- our story here: https://about.readthedocs.com/blog/2024/07/ai-crawlers-abuse... (quoted in the OP) -- everyone I know has a similar story who is running large internet infrastructure -- this post does a great job of rounding a bunch of them up in 1 place. I called it when I wrote it, they are just burning their goodwill to the ground. I will note that one of the main startups in the space worked with us direct…

> just burning their goodwill to the ground AI firms seem to be leading from a position that goodwill is irrelevant: a $100bn pile of capital, like an 800lb gorilla, does what it wants. AI will be incorporated into all products whether you like it or not; it will absorb all data whether you like it or not.

Yep. And it is much more far reaching than that. Look at the primary economic claim offered by AI companies: to end the need for a substantial portion of all jobs on the planet. The entire vision is to remake the entire world into one where the owners of these companies own everything and are completely unconstrained. All intellectual property belongs to them. All labor belongs to them. Why would they need good will when they own everything?

"Why should we care about open source maintainers" is just a microcosm of the much larger "why should we care about literally anybody" mindset.

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