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The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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I grew up in poverty in India, so research was never a leisure activity—it was a race to keep up. That’s why I think the article is right about the cultural shift. Deep reading feels like a luxury not everyone can afford.

Now, I see more people relying on step-by-step guides instead of digging in themselves. It fits the trend of passive consumption. But reading alone isn’t enough. It only matters if you can use it to solve real problems you care about.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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These observations are interpretations of behavior viewed through human eyes. (What’s the concept of a “hat” to an orca?) Perhaps we interpret their behavior this way because it is our behavior.

As someone who's had quite a few dealings with animals (the family business is a horse farm) my interpretation is that human psychology is basically animal psychology with a "language instinct" bolted on as a peripheral. You might very well misinterpret an animal's experience or motives but it is not just mistaken "anthropomorphism" but could just be the same kind of misunderstanding you might have about another pers…

> I believe all birds and mammals have a pretty good "theory of mind", it's just hard to do an experiment to prove it

Our pet bird (sun conure) actively tries to lie and mislead when he's doing something naughty. Like he will go into the pantry to steal treats and quickly fly out pretending he wasn't in there when he hears you approaching.

This indicates he has some theory of mind. He has to understand there's a difference between what he knows and what we know, otherwise he wouldn't try to hide or obscure his actions.

And yes there is research showing/arguing that birds have theory of mind --> https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/144146926.pdf

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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I think you're generally right about the OP, but I don't see your alternative method as a tonic to the problem the author is discussing. I agree that treating reading as the only way to ingest information is probably wrong, and that the original post tends towards hierarchy in an almost reactionary way, yet at the same time I also see that many people tend to ingest information from other forms of media less critical…

> I agree that treating reading as the only way to ingest information is probably wrong The good news is that not only does the "private researcher" (curious individual person without a research background or job) nowadays have the ability to read online in far-removed libraries, they are even empowered to download the data of many studies, fire up their Jupyter notebooks to replicate some work. The danger is that so…

I think there'd be some value in asking each of the major chatLLMs whether vaccines cause autism. If the answer is not some unequivocal variation of "no, aside from fraudulent and discredited research," you have a serious problem if you're relying on AI to do research for you.

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> What’s funny is that history is the subject I was least interested in all through school. Indeed, history is largely lost on kids. You need to see some real world events play out before you can care about history. I also think, if you're going to teach history to children, it should be taught in reverse chronology. Basically here's what's happening now, and that's due to what happened last year, which is due to wha…

>it should be taught in reverse chronology. Basically here's what's happening now, and that's due to what happened last year, which is due to what happened last decade, etc Boy, oh boy, you will hate Karl Popper if you ever decide to read him lol

I've read some of his work (only a little bit), but I can't figure out what you're referring to. Is it just that we can't properly know what causes what? For the purposes of childhood education that does not matter too much :)

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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Stan Ulam has a great book discussing his worry about the change in research environments pre-wwII vs post-WWII. Before the war, they’d sit in cafes and draw in tables and just sit and think sometimes as a group. After they would meet in offices with blackboards and no life in the room or fun with direct funding telling them exactly what to study. I think his concern will be shown to be sound.

I wonder if LLMs can help bring that kind of exploratory culture back. Because this is not an exploratory culture.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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I perused the three posts on this blog, and believe that an LLM was heavily used, because I used one daily, and this is the way its content reads. The leisure the author speaks of may be their own, and the research of which they speak today may be done by a machine. I think the intent is good, and if you as the reader get insight from it, then it is still valid, but I cannot read it, because I don’t feel a thread of…

“We are no better than machines, I guess.”

Well, our minds aren’t but we have legs and arms which is cool. But maybe that will change too.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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This is a personal take. I agree if you are actively participating and grappling with the material in your mind. One reason I like reading is that, if I don't understand I cannot move on to next step. So, it forces me to actively participate, argue and understand the text. In audio and visual medium, it is somewhat easier to trick myself into following the flow without actually understanding. I heard, that is why Fey…

>One reason I like reading is that, if I don't understand I cannot move on to next step Yes, you can. You can even skim—or entirely skip—whole sections.

As mentioned elsewhere, I should have been more careful with my phrasing. What I meant is I am much more aware of my own understanding, gaps and shortcomings and more actively involved in learning and processing information when I am reading.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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I think reading is an essential skill, but we also need to get reading out of the pedestal. Because a lot of the time these arguments come across as some sort of literary elitism. Like if you're not ingesting information through reading, it doesn't count. This month I spent many hours listening to lectures on youtube about geopolitics on the Asian continent from the naval war college. Sure I could have read it, but n…

I don't think the accusation of elitism is valid here. Postulating that a particular kind of activity might be better suited to a particular kind of goal isn't elitism. Is it "elitist" to claim that one sorting algorithm is faster than another? People are so individualistic and sensitive these days that they take any proposed alternatives that don't align with their own habits and modes of consumption as a direct aff…

Well said. I should stop using social media, the level of discourse is low and anti-intellectualism is rampant. I do think the world would benefit from more amateur researchers.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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Don't know about you guys, but reading has become more and more of a burden for me. It is as if -- I have greatly narrowed my interest such that most books are not interesting any more. Even the sci-fi and fantasy books, once I loved, lost their magic. Nowadays there are only two types of books that excite me: 1) those about software/hardware engineering, such as iWoz(I even bought a few Tom Swift JR books for my son…

It’s more that software books ruin your brain and make you incapable of enjoying good literature. Same for existentialism which you fled into out of despair from working in and reading about software. It is a hollow and empty profession that only breaks humans or turns them into monsters. Or not. Either way you should be worried if you can’t read fiction, it means you’ve lost the ability to put yourself in someone else’s mindset.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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> I agree that treating reading as the only way to ingest information is probably wrong The good news is that not only does the "private researcher" (curious individual person without a research background or job) nowadays have the ability to read online in far-removed libraries, they are even empowered to download the data of many studies, fire up their Jupyter notebooks to replicate some work. The danger is that so…

It's already hard to sort out the bs that respectable science generates.

Splitting hairs maybe, but more like it's already hard to suppress enough of the bs to get at the respectable science...
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