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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by troupo »

wang_li wrote: post #386
troupo wrote: post #312

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All you said are literally in the descriptions of the jobs they signed up for. They literally train for multiple gruesome death scenarios as part of their training. Not just "well, your 8-day stay has now become several months"

>All you said are literally in the descriptions of the jobs they signed up for. Dismissing every exceptional circumstance as "the jobs they signed up for." is absurd. That's like saying the crash of flight 5342 that killed 67 people is what those passengers signed up for, so it's no big deal.

Turns out they were prepared for this circumstance, had a back up plan, and communicated this plan many times.

Just because you don't like this plan doesn't mean it's bad/political/whatever other fantasy you may come up with.

> That's like saying the crash of flight 5342 that killed 67 people is what those passengers signed up for, so it's no big deal.

Nope, it isn't like that at all. None of those passengers trained, rigorously, for an extreme number of extreme situations. Unlike astronauts whose training includes all that, and more.

And risk and exceptional circumstances are absolutely one hundred percent in the job description. Unlike the passengers in the your analogy you pulled out of an unmentionable place.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by matthewdgreen »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #519
isx726552 wrote: post #474

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> fraud Prove it. They keep saying “fraud” without proof of anything other than just spending they disagree with. Spending, I might add, which was previously duly authorized by Congress. The use of the word “fraud” is a smoke screen. To unquestioningly accept it is to be complicit in their lies. And that’s what they’re doing: lying. If there really is fraud, let’s see it prosecuted via due process, like it should be.…

> Prove it. No one can "prove" anything without a clear goalpost that doesn't move :) That being said, there is evidence I can present from the past. Here are a couple of cases: - https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/chemonics-internatio... - https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/usaid-suspends... Also, not exactly "fraud" in the accounting sense, but there is a slew of NGOs that purport to support foreign…

Someone makes concrete allegations of massive fraud and then uses those allegations as justification for huge funding cuts. Folks ask for evidence of the fraud justifying these cuts. They are instead given evidence of the existence of some different fraud that occurred some point in the past.

If you don't see how problematic that is, then why not just avoid the discussion in the first place?

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by ergocoder »

jasonlotito wrote: post #444
ergocoder wrote: post #346

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Just curious. Why didn't they come back earlier? Turning 8 days into 9 months seems bad. Really really bad.

That's entirely immaterial to my comment. You can read the entire story in other locations. However, none of that changes the fact that my comment is accurate.

I read it, and it sounded more like an excuse. Astronauts could have come down anytime but for this weird reason they decided to hang out up there in an unplanned 8 month trip.

> my comment is accurate

Not really. You mentioned Musk stranded them after Jan 20.

They came down less than 2 months after that date. That seems fast for a space trip. Faster than the other 6 months...

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by ethbr1 »

mlyle wrote: post #499
ethbr1 wrote: post #472

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Moreover, where do people think corruption comes from? The human desire to be richer and the power to make it happen. Do people think Trump, Musk, and Thiel don't want to be richer? And worse, that the poorly-vetted people who have attached themselves to this administration don't? The idea that getting rid of fraud in a chaotic fashion is going to lead to less fraud is laughable, unless the assumption is also 'All of…

Musk has talked explicitly about unwinding portions of NASA and replacing it with SpaceX to "improve efficiency." Which honestly should happen to some extent (I'm not a fan of SLS). But we shouldn't become beholden to one vendor, and it's sure looking a lot more like removing options for the future and competition than a play for efficiency. And anyone doing this for their own companies in the past would be a textboo…

People forget that Boeing space was an excellent engineering company at one point.

One of the things that fucked it up was decades of cost-plus government work.

Companies become the most profitable versions of themselves the market allows them to be... which without competition usually doesn't bode well for excellence.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by ethbr1 »

acdha wrote: post #513
ethbr1 wrote: post #465

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The irony of billionaires deciding it's a waste of money to feed people and prevent AIDS pandemics is lost on some.

Yes, it is wild to me to see how PEPFAR was for years held up as the Republican’s flagship foreign program but so few were willing to speak up to defend it.

Morals are only really morals when it's difficult to suppport them, and people still do.

I think the Republican party nowadays is proof that most of them are chickenshit and care more about their job than doing the right thing.

Props those who made the hard choices. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_trial_of_...

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by davidmurdoch »

foldr wrote: post #556
davidmurdoch wrote: post #449

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I can't tell if this is downvoted because I upset someone in sorry if the the left or the right. I don't think what I said is untrue in any sense?

I think it’s downvoted because you seem to be suggesting that Joe Biden could have have overridden the decision making process led by domain experts at NASA. While in theory the President could do that, it would be a silly thing to do.

Well yes, I was suggesting exactly that.

I'm pretty sure I'm correct, and that you are too: the president could theoretically do that. Or, in the very least, strongly influence decisions made by NASA.

I'm also saying that the NASA _is_ part of President Biden's administration, as the "NASA Administrator" at the time, Bill Nelson, was actually nominated by President Biden.

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But maybe I'm wrong and the downvoters could elaborate as to how and why?

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by alxjrvs »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #537
alxjrvs wrote: post #501

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> Either way, I think a pro-Democracy attitude will oppose growing power of unelected officials, regardless of political leanings. DOGE is headed by an unelected official, from a party with not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now.

DOGE headed by Elon Musk was one of Trump's foremost campaign promises. In terms of democracy, that is about as direct of an electoral mandate as possible. > not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now How about having been duly elected in the ballot boxes? Being pro-democracy means accepting and implementing the will of the people. (Trump disputed the election results in 2020 because he believed there was…

> I don't think it's necessarily evidence of being anti-democracy in his leanings.

This is either willful ignorance or something else.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by [deleted] »

johndhi wrote: post #275

One thing I'm confused by is that we need to do "reporting" to figure out what the truth is here. Can't we just ask the astronauts, or NASA, or something? Why is there no official statement on the matter? There's actually a video of Butch, from the station, saying Musk's description was "entirely factual" - although he then sort of backtracked that. Seems like no one wants to outright explain what happened.

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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by SLWW »

fzeroracer wrote: post #114
SLWW wrote: post #112

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You're effectively tone policing an article for not being kind enough to the current administration that is lying their ass off about everything they do every step of the way.

I'm not tone policing, I'm saying he sounds condescending like the rest of these types of articles... making it sound like noise, adding to the static.

I didn't say he was wrong in what he was saying, I'm just seeing this as an outsider who immediately gets a sour taste in my mouth.

Tone policing is an ad hominem argument focusing on the tone and not the merit to DISCREDIT the information within, i am not intending to discredit him, i don't dispute his factual claims, just noting that he made it harder to see his side of things from my perspective.

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Post by SLWW »

pveierland wrote: post #118
SLWW wrote: post #112

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Berger is not a "one note journalist". He literally wrote the book "Liftoff" which is great telling of the story of SpaceX, and has covered space topics in extensive detail for a long time. The article is important because the narrative told by the administration is clearly not true and in bad faith, and it is right to call it out.

He comes off as one here, although I'll take your word for it.

I agree the rhetoric hasn't been great, I'm just tired of seeing this polarizing language from both sides and it's, as i said, tiring and just noise.

If you sound like everyone else, how is anyone supposed to hear you?

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