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The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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These observations are interpretations of behavior viewed through human eyes. (What’s the concept of a “hat” to an orca?) Perhaps we interpret their behavior this way because it is our behavior.

As someone who's had quite a few dealings with animals (the family business is a horse farm) my interpretation is that human psychology is basically animal psychology with a "language instinct" bolted on as a peripheral. You might very well misinterpret an animal's experience or motives but it is not just mistaken "anthropomorphism" but could just be the same kind of misunderstanding you might have about another pers…

> As someone who's had quite a few dealings with animals (the family business is a horse farm) my interpretation is that human psychology is basically animal psychology with a "language instinct" bolted on as a peripheral.

Growing up with cats and dogs all my life I 100% agree with this. That has caused me to look at animals as individuals I can't communicate with instead of lower life forms that are brainless sacks of meat. They certainty are capable of thought and I am also convinced they share the same basic emotional states but humans have much more nuance and layers over them.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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and this history texts are provided as a counter balance to the biased sources and failure to examine opposing views of other history texts. take in a range and make informed decisions. When a book presents any factoid, something else was chosen to not be presented. And that choice colors the narrative. Those who say "teach the facts" miss that the facts chosen paint a bias.

You basically say that everyone is biased, take the middle. But I've seen with my own eyes living in dictatorial countries, that there are wild differences in how much bias there are. If one source lies 5% of the facts and an opposing source lies 95% of the facts, taking the middle leaves you with 50% lies, heavily biased to one side. You'd better just go with the first completely and have only 5% lies. I've read sev…

One history says Christopher Columbus sailed across the ocean with his three ships and made friends with the Indians.

Another history says, with quotes from him, that the people he found are very friendly and will make great slaves.

I'm not saying take the middle. I'm saying there is a narrative. Who's story are you hearing and why? The usual narrative we get supports those with power. Who's narrative is suppressed and why?

You get a narrative about Columbus the explorer and bringer of civilization to the new world. The other narrative is that he brought untold suffering and despair. Did he expanded European civilization and manifest destiny, or did he murder and enslave and subjugate people and their children to the horrors of chattel slavery?

Which one is a lie? Which is fact or not fact? It's both. It's neither. It is the narrative that is painting the story that is being told.

> so omission of anything is a red flag

you would then agree that all the factoids and accounts presented in A People's History of the United States _not_ being present in other works and education of our students is a red flag. But, honestly, and you know this, you can't include _all_ the facts and stories. By picking something, something else is not included.

You pick a photo to share of your family smiling, you didn't pick the photo of them fighting. Is your photo a lie? Heck, you may not have even thought to take a photo of the family fighting. Now future generations will only see the good times grandpa had. Is that a lie?

A People's History is littered with first hand accounts and journal entries. It is full of quotes to other authors who've collected similar. If you can point to the 95% of lies it contains, that would be great. I don't think you can though. I think the best you can say is that you disagree with the narrative, and to do so, you must ignore the real stories from real people.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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Academia has a combination of monopoly and scarcity that drove would-be researchers insane. Simple as that.

I mean this both flippantly in many cases and literally in many others. Academia in my orbit appears to be a risk factor for psychological problems.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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>> I feel like this person has some kind of dark academia aesthetic fetish that they need to hold onto to feel superior to everyone else. The older I get, the more I'm convinced that people do this less to actually feel superior to others and more as a desperate act of establishing an identity, ANY identity, to simply feel seen and validated in spite of just being yet another person on the planet. This uniquely-human…

Being "seen and validated" translates to "feeling superior" when people want to be seen and validated on a scale that very few other people are, and I think many people naively want this.

Few would like to feel inferior in every dimension to other people in their group - because that effectively means they're useless to the group, beyond being a warm body to throw at problems requiring numbers; it means they're replaceable and will be replaced by someone better.

It feels to me that the ideas of social status, "feeling seen", finding connection, even finding meaning, all intersect in wanting to be unique along some dimension that at least part of your group values.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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I read a fair amount and I actually do research as leisure all the time, but I can’t stand these elitist and unoriginal think pieces about how much better and cooler this person’s habits are than yours. >> for the leisurely researcher, self-study must include the discipline’s foundational texts I feel like this person has some kind of dark academia aesthetic fetish that they need to hold onto to feel superior to ever…

>> I feel like this person has some kind of dark academia aesthetic fetish that they need to hold onto to feel superior to everyone else. The older I get, the more I'm convinced that people do this less to actually feel superior to others and more as a desperate act of establishing an identity, ANY identity, to simply feel seen and validated in spite of just being yet another person on the planet. This uniquely-human…

>The older I get, the more I'm convinced that people do this less to actually feel superior to others and more as a desperate act of establishing an identity, ANY identity, to simply feel seen and validated in spite of just being yet another person on the planet.

I think this is broadly correct. I have had a sense for a while now that there are quite a few people express extreme versions of their opinions substituting amplitude for fidelity. A strongly held opinion isn't heard as much as a weakly held opinion forcefully expressed.

Part of this is down to mass communication and it occurs for all things. There are good apps for mobile phones that never get seen because the focus goes to the top few percent. The same is probably true for games on Steam. Most peoples' blogs will be read by fewer people than the number of blogs they read themselves for the simple reason that some blogs get millions of readers.

I can see the obvious frustration that must be felt when someone has an idea to share that they feel isn't being expressed. When it comes to emotional expression, small communities are required if you want to have a group that reciprocates attention. Most people don't want to be heard by everyone, they just want to be heard. What we have is an environment where a few people are heard by everyone and lots of people are unheard.

I think sites like HN, and the smaller subreddit communities along with discords (I miss IRC, It's still there, but the people aren't) work against that flow.

There's an element of social 'groupthink' pressure if communities of similar opinions cluster, more often against ideas than for, but I think that on these platforms it also meets a degree of resistance that helps balance things.

HN has Rust/AI/Bitcoin where there are always a few people who will express distain for the subject. Each of these seem weird if you actually consider the criticisms as being in good faith.

Why should people be annoyed about liking another programming language, or want to write things in it, or talk about it?

Why are there people who are certain AI is doomed to failure that are so concerned about the money of investors? Especially when many of the people who express such distain for AI generally do not look terribly kindly towards investors anyway. It's like they don't like rich people while simultaneously concerned that the rich might lose all their money.

Why are those who decry Bitcoin as a Ponzi scheme so angry about the fact that other people, who they disagree with and denigrate, are doomed to lose their money? Why are they so concerned for the finances for people they don't like?

I think the motivation behind all of them is they want their dissenting position to be heard. When these things are talked about people can see some degree of popularity for an opinion that they don't hold. It seems it isn't enough to think "I don't think that will work, but good luck to them."

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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I read a fair amount and I actually do research as leisure all the time, but I can’t stand these elitist and unoriginal think pieces about how much better and cooler this person’s habits are than yours. >> for the leisurely researcher, self-study must include the discipline’s foundational texts I feel like this person has some kind of dark academia aesthetic fetish that they need to hold onto to feel superior to ever…

It’s all the same duplicated/ copied information. No fact checks, no references. It’s exhausting to read the same stuff over and over again

Long live LLMs

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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I read a fair amount and I actually do research as leisure all the time, but I can’t stand these elitist and unoriginal think pieces about how much better and cooler this person’s habits are than yours. >> for the leisurely researcher, self-study must include the discipline’s foundational texts I feel like this person has some kind of dark academia aesthetic fetish that they need to hold onto to feel superior to ever…

I've been finding that digital only sources have been declining in quality for probably 5 years now. I have actually greatly reduced my reliance on them due to the fact that anytime HTTP is involved you add a layer of potential marketing obscuring the goal. I've been finding especially lately that I would have been better just getting a book. In fact I've greatly increased by personal library after years of stagnatio…

> However this will absolutely be poisoned over time because marketing will always creep in until it dominates the HTTP source.

I often remind myself that we are in the golden age of LLMs, like the pre-enshitification days when Google would nearly always return relevant and useful results, and I felt like with access to the Internet I could learn anything.

Re: The Lost Art of Research as Leisure

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I don't think the accusation of elitism is valid here. Postulating that a particular kind of activity might be better suited to a particular kind of goal isn't elitism. Is it "elitist" to claim that one sorting algorithm is faster than another? People are so individualistic and sensitive these days that they take any proposed alternatives that don't align with their own habits and modes of consumption as a direct aff…

This discussion on the immanent collapse of civilization never gets old. Socrates complained that this new invention of writing was ruining philosophy and memory. In his view philosophy was verbal jousting and conversation while walking. The primary source is from Socrates lips (unavaiable), but you can read Plato’s Phaedrus, ask Wikipedia, or chat with Claude 3.7 Sonnet.

Civilizations did collapse many times, Egyptians forgot how to make their large stone monuments etc. It is important to try to avoid that, not all new things are progress, some does lead to collapses.
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