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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by alxjrvs »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #469
mlyle wrote: post #466

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What a long gallop. > If people in government are benefited directly or indirectly by fraud, that's literally included in the definition of corruption. Yup, that endpoint is fine and can be agreed with. People in government having a job doing something you think isn't useful isn't corruption, though. And if a few percent of the money their program spends is wasted or benefits other people through fraud-- that's not c…

> People in government having a job doing something you think isn't useful isn't corruption, though I didn't say anything about that; I don't think I know enough yet to have a fully formed opinion. But I do think that the overly powerful DC bureaucracy, DC NGOs, and corruption that holds it together is a worthy common enemy for all of us - that's what I'm trying to point out. I'm actually amazed at Democrats' positio…

> Either way, I think a pro-Democracy attitude will oppose growing power of unelected officials, regardless of political leanings.

DOGE is headed by an unelected official, from a party with not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by belter »

fooker wrote: post #480
belter wrote: post #160

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You are lying. "The Facts Behind the Delayed Return of U.S. Astronauts" - https://www.factcheck.org/2025/03/the-facts-behind-the-delay...

I wonder if you have read through this article yourself?

Yes. Did you? Since you are insisting, can you point to the part that supports your statement:

"SpaceX offered to do it for free. Publicly."

It will be kinder for you, to think you’re lying, than to suspect a deficit in judgment...

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Post by phendrenad2 »

I'm really sorry. But "Stranded" is what you call astronauts who were supposed to come home after 8 days in space, but ended up spending 286 days in space, because their planned return vehicle was found to have a flaw, and the backup vehicle was too expensive or also wasn't ready (or whatever reason it took so long to get a Dragon capsule up there). I'm tired of arguing semantics with children.

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Post by MiiMe19 »

sanderjd wrote: post #285
johndhi wrote: post #275

One thing I'm confused by is that we need to do "reporting" to figure out what the truth is here. Can't we just ask the astronauts, or NASA, or something? Why is there no official statement on the matter? There's actually a video of Butch, from the station, saying Musk's description was "entirely factual" - although he then sort of backtracked that. Seems like no one wants to outright explain what happened.

Yeah, "no one wants to outright explain what happened" is called "chilling effects" and is one of the explicit goals of an authoritarian regime like the one we have in the US now. Nobody wants to get fired and get death threats just for speaking plainly, so most people don't. Every once in awhile someone will decide it's worth the cost, but most people most of the time will decide it isn't.

>authoritarian is when the government does thing I don't like

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Post by russdill »

t1234s wrote: post #496

How was SpaceX able to custom fit them for new space suits while up in orbit?

Because NASA had planned on the contingency of them joining the next expedition and returning with Crew-9. The astronauts trained for this possibility and NASA prepared for it. Even going as far as to include EVA suit components with the resupply before they arrived.

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Post by russdill »

ComplexSystems wrote: post #405
adastra22 wrote: post #46

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I don’t understand this take? They got to spend the better part of a year doing what they love. Sounds pretty kick-ass to me.

I doubt they're happy about having to be up there that long.

How long exactly do you think NASA astronauts typically spend on the ISS?

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Post by _cs2017_ »

enragedcacti wrote: post #289
johndhi wrote: post #275

One thing I'm confused by is that we need to do "reporting" to figure out what the truth is here. Can't we just ask the astronauts, or NASA, or something? Why is there no official statement on the matter? There's actually a video of Butch, from the station, saying Musk's description was "entirely factual" - although he then sort of backtracked that. Seems like no one wants to outright explain what happened.

The need for reporting on this stems from the massive blatant lies coming from the admin backed up by the media parroting the narrative. From NASA on Aug 7, 2024: > Wilmore and Williams will continue their work formally as part of the Expedition 71/72 crew through February 2025. They will fly home aboard a Dragon spacecraft with two other crew members assigned to the agency’s SpaceX Crew-9 mission. Starliner is expec…

The fault in the Starliner was known in June 2024 (https://www.space.com/nasa-boeing-starliner-crew-flight-test...). By August 2024, NASA said that the crew would stay until Feb 2025. That was not the original plan like you claim. See also: https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/nasa-astronauts-hea....

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Post by russdill »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #83
rdtsc wrote: post #75

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We’ll see if they fly again or they are done with space for good. There is no way they’ll publicly complain or acknowledge issues. as it will look unprofessional, but actions will tell.

Wasn't this (or rather, the original short mission) expected to likely be the last mission for them anyways, due to age? I really hope they'll at some point clearly say either "well, of course we missed our families, but really, getting such an opportunity was AWESOME and Boeing's misfortune was a huge lucky event for us" or "Being up there is awesome, but quite honestly, having to do it unexpectedly really sucked".…

Another member of Expedition 72 was 7 years Wilmore's senior.

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Post by MostlyStable »

nailer wrote: post #493
MostlyStable wrote: post #473

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Elections are one way of selecting government officials. Authoritarianism is a political philosophy that can be pursued no matter how one was selected. Yes, many/most authoritarians arise either not in democracies, or else in situations where the elections are mostly/entirely a sham, but that is not a requirement. You could, at least in principle, have an authoritarian surveillance state where the government watches…

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"regime" just means government. You are taking common associations and turning them into hard and fast rules when they aren't. "Biden regime" was a completely accurate (and frequently used) description of the last administration (and almost every other preceding administration).

As for your second sentence, while it is often dramatically overstated, I think that Trump having authoritarian tendencies is pretty obviously true. The extent to which he has successfully instantiated those tendencies is up for considerable debate. I think the answer is probably not "not at all".

In case it needs to be said, I think that almost every modern presidency has, (to quite varying extents) had some amount of authoritarian tendencies, in the sense that they have all sought to increase the unchecked power of the executive branch at the expense of both the other two branches, and the rights of the populace. I think Trump would, were he able, pretty dramatically extend this trend, but he won't have started it, and it remains to be seen how much farther he succeeds at going than other recent presidents.

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Post by russdill »

adastra22 wrote: post #81
rdtsc wrote: post #75

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We’ll see if they fly again or they are done with space for good. There is no way they’ll publicly complain or acknowledge issues. as it will look unprofessional, but actions will tell.

This was likely their last mission to start with. They’re already past prime and nearing retirement (of official astronaut duties, at least).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Pettit
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